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25 May 2020, 08:14 AM | #182 |
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Rolex hits a sweet spot with a classic design/size with their divers at 40mm dia/13mm thickness. Feel like the latest seamaster got too large and bulky, when trends are going the other way.
Like Omega tried to cram so many things into it with the see through case back, larger helium valve, laser engraved dial, new movement, etc, where it just grew to 42mm and strays further from the formula that worked for them. They already have a PO line so why increase the size? The best seamasters I feel were the Bond era, up to the 2012 ceramic, where they started hitting their stride. You can see this reflected in grey market/used prices where the previous SMPc still commands close to its MSRP whereas the 2018 seamaster is not getting any takers despite all the good reviews and can be had for 3500-3800 on the grey market despite msrp of 5200. And now these old seamasters are starting to come into their own, at 41mm and only 12mm or so thick, and have a unique blend of toolishness with a bit of flash, in the wave dial and blue bezel. I mean a see through caseback is nice, but I'd rather have a thinner profile. Hopefully Omega releases a more toned down version at a smaller size. |
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I have had a couple subs (16610 AND 116610) and a sea dweller (the old one), and I got bored of them very quickly.
Love my omegas. I currently have Speedmaster sapphire sandwich, blue PO, and an old seamaster 120. Love all of them. I loved my 2500 300M but lost it :-( Sent from my SM-T720 using Tapatalk |
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Agreed — I’d love to see the gmt in the new 300. Not sure why they’re offering it only in the PO — I don’t really like the new black cases, but I do like the new 300M! Think we’ll see a release this year? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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I’m currently thinking of picking up either the black dial EXPII or the black dial PO. What are your thoughts on how they compare? Also, why did you flip to the rubber? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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1) I was most attracted to the watch online on the rubber strap but DavidSW only had the steel.. They day it arrived I went to my nearest Omega AD, literally a mile from my office at the time, and shockingly they had the strap in stock. I wore the bracelet for less than 2 minutes. 2) I think it's a better looking watch on the rubber. The blue and the orange is a gorgeous combination. 3) I only have 1 other watch on rubber and wanted another one. As to which I prefer: 4) The explorer II is a fantastic watch and it gets the most wrist time. BUT, the more I wear the Omega the more I love the watch and the Brand. I think that the Omega, from a technical standpoint, may be the better watch, and I think Omega overall may be the better Watch maker, absolutely so for the price. 5) My next watch will be another Omega or Rolex, either the 36mm datejust with fluted bezel and jubilee band, or the Omega Seamaster Aqua Terra. I've wanted the classic dress datejust for a much longer time but a co-worker is selling his gorgeous Blue face Aqua Terra and if I can get him down a little, I may go that route. Tough call but I absolutely love them both. Even though I love the Rolex, the Omega is so gorgeous that I may miss that more than the Exp II if I had to get rid of one of them. Good luck! |
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Thanks for the comprehensive answer! Interesting about the rubber. I’m looking at a titanium model, so I don’t know that I could go black with the blue face and I don’t really like the blue rubber (blue and brown looks reasonable — but no brown rubber). The titanium is much lighter than the steel version, so there’s that. Can I ask why the EXPII gets the most wrist time? Is it short sleeve related (and on that point, does the PO actually fit under shirt sleeves)? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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1st world problems, I know. I sometimes take 2, but never three. Most years I also take a trip to Ireland for a little golf getaway and I take a Garmin golf watch with me, so on those trips I am likely to take only one of my three favorites with me. On my annual ski trips, the rubber straps win. |
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I travel a lot to conferences and need to track 2-3 time zones when collaborating. In that respect, the PO is missing the inner 0-24 scale, but so would the EXPII; and there are very few (Monta) that have that functionality. I have a very delightful 1675, which is my favourite ever watch, but my life is far to rough on it. It’s just come back from RSC, and has been back twice (it’s unclear if it’s anything to do with me jarring the piece or if it’s part of the finicky servicing tolerances). Either way, I’ve become twitchy about the Rollie holding up. My Bremont is bullet proof, but it’s strap only (and I’m really a bracelet guy); I go through a leather band roughly every 6 months (and they keep popping open). Do you happen to know if the Ti PO has a micro adjust in the clasp — or did that come out only with the SMPs this time around? I updated my SMP300GMT clasp to the later style, but it was steel and easy to do. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Just curious. Since you have had so many, I assume you buy and sell quite a bit. Which are the ones you love and won't part with from each of these two brands?
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I've been thinking about this a lot recently, Rolex vs Omega. The YouTuber Bruce Williams has been doing a lot of Omega content as of late, and I have to say - Omega is putting out some incredibly striking and impressive pieces. When watches like the Diver 300M, the Planet Ocean and the new Aqua Terras are placed next to a modern Rolex the Rolex almost looks...antiquated. Obviously Rolex has more of a timeless, classic design language but the differences are striking. When you add in Omega's display casebacks with nicely decorated movements and their co-ax tech, I'm personally seeing a LOT of value there. With two Rolexes under my belt I am really leaning toward an Omega for my next luxury-tier purchase.
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They are both amazing watches. Omega can be daunting to jump into because of how many editions they are but I think that’s the beauty in omega having so many unique pieces and history. Rolex is such well known brand is hard to go wrong. End of the day, I say purchase both!
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I really enjoy reading the "advice" of armchair CEOs here.
The core of their advice is basically, "be like Rolex". My humble opinion is, that is not going to work. Omega has to find their own strengths and capitalize on it. For me, their innovation in movements, the large variety of models, and the entry-level luxury pricing is what got me as a customer. If you enjoy your unavailable, limited supply, expensive sports watches, Rolex has you covered nicely. stick with that. |
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Yes I agree. The fact that you can get 4 SMP’s for 1 Rolex sports model = best deal out there. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Both for me...
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Depends on the model
Submariner, and Seamaster each has its own charm Daytona and speedmaster each has Its history and fans I can’t say a brand over another as a statement but can compare each model to its competitor from the other brand. Where each has its unique nature
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I have to say, watches aside for a moment, the brand experience of the Omega botiques is far and away so much better than the current Rolex 'boutique' experience. Rolex boutique in quotes because I think while the decor looks all rolex, I don't think there's actually uniform training and control, I think it's very much run the way the 'AD' fronted as botique runs it.
Had to pick up some straps and buckles this week, wow, was blown away by the service, the polish of the whole operation. Felt very high end compared to the eye rolls I get from the Rolex dealers these days (despite multiple watches during and before the shortage). |
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Have both, enjoy both. Although I definitely understand those who point to the futility of such threads, I appreciated the opportunity to reflect on why I like both Rolex and Omega. I find neither brand better than the other, but each's merits are different. Both are of a similar tier of high quality in my mind. Here are my thoughts on the advantages that each brand presents:
Rolex - consistency (some would say conservatism) in visual design philosophy for any given model over many decades; apparently the Rolex design approach has been popular for several generations, meaning that whichever Rolex you buy today (new or vintage) will be considered acceptable style in the future as well - marketing -- many point to the "superior" marketing strategy of Rolex. It is hard to argue with this, as the brand recognition of Rolex is strong. - monetary value retention -- this is at least related to marketing, but I think it also a bit simplistic and unfair to the brand to say that its value retention is just due to marketing. I think we should give credit to Rolex for making solid watches that last a long time, with esthetics that appeal to many. This is not to say Rolex has the corner on the "well-constructed watch" market. Rather, Rolex makes a really good watch, and it has convinced the general public of this. - keeping it simple. Rolex has focused on reliable workhorse movements, perhaps not seeing the sort of innovation that other brands have demonstrated. It has also focused on cases and bracelets that are of top quality. This KISS ("keep it simple, stupid!") approach to watch making/branding has really worked in Rolex's favor...they are not the most technologically advanced, but for what they are, they do really well. - James Bond (of the Sean Connery variety ) Omega - evolution of visual design philosophy; approximately each decade has brought a new design pattern for each of its models. This sort of variety is good on multiple levels...for example, there's a Seamaster for everyone. And maybe there are folks in the watch community who delight in collecting all the different iterations of a particular model. This is to Omega's credit, I think. I applaud them for constantly considering and re-considering their designs. - affordability and availability. Although its name recognition to the general public is not quite as strong as Rolex, Omega is still a well recognized mid-tier luxury watch brand. Lower pre-owned prices (and brand new prices, generally) mean that an enthusiast can get a really cool, really respectable Omega at a variety of price points. And they can get that piece today. I really see Omega's accessibility as a huge plus. This is a really important factor for the hobby...I think Omega's impact on getting people to the mid-tier luxury level is often overlooked. - technological. Innovations in movement design, such as the Co-Axial series, are the things that attract many watch enthusiasts, and for good reason. The movement is the heart of horology. - James Bond (of the Pierce Brosnan and Daniel Craig variety ) So much to like about both brands. I hope everyone is willing to give each a try. |
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Thanks for your analysis Oyster Sauce.
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I definitely see more Omegas in the wild than Rolex’s. They’re accessible, more affordable and enough models to satisfy a range of tastes.
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I definitely see more Omegas in the wild than Rolex’s. They’re accessible, more affordable and enough models to satisfy a range of tastes.
I actually see the ‘Omegas lose value’ as a good thing - as people just wear them and on average, have more enjoyment out of them, as there’s no reason to baby them, so to speak - as the value retention isn’t there to even consider. They’re bought because they like the watch and want to wear it as much as possible. It’s not bought with intentions of flipping to greys. |
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I would add however that one if the downsides of Omega’s approach of always coming up with new designs to appeal to current tastes means that they often end up looking dated when those tastes change. Whereas as Rolex with their philosophy of sticking to classic designs mean that even a watch that’s 20+ years old still looks current. |
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Rolex v Omega
I love both brands.
However, about a year ago, I was comparing the Datejust 41 with the Aqua Terra 41. They look like they’re pretty similar and in the same ballpark on the internet. It might not be a totally fair comparison given the cost differential, but that’s what my decision came down to. When I tried on a blue dial Datejust with fluted bezel and jubilee bracelet, I was totally blown away by it. Totally blown away by it. Magnificent, just magnificent. When I tried on the blue dial Aqua Terra, I liked it, but I was far less enthusiastic about it. I was enthusiastic about the price, but clearly the Rolex was in a different league. People talk about marketing, but marketing had nothing to do with it. The Rolex was just far superior to me. Now if I were comparing an Aqua Terra to an OP 39, I’d go with the Aqua Terra no doubt, but that’s where Omega competes well with Rolex. Low end models. Aqua Terra and Globemaster simply can’t compete with the Datejust (IMHO). EDIT: important to note; I never made a decision in terms of which watch to get. I still might get the Aqua Terra simply because of price. :) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Have a Omega PO and love the brand so will only focus on the negatives from my point of view.
Bracelets not as good as Roles Seamaster size Aqua Terra size, dont hear this often but its a couple of mm to big to be the one watch killer Design, what looks good today, especially the shiny new dials and bezel, looks old fashion tomorrow. None are show stoppers, all depend on own option.. I will always have an Omega in my collection regardless |
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There has been one Omega that ticked every box for me and put me on the hunt for. The 36mm Aqua Terra Railmaster 2504. Alas, it has been discontinued and are overpriced on second hand markets. So while I want to love Omega as much as other brands, they haven't put together too many packages that send me over the moon. And the journey to my first Omega continues. Rolex, while no way near perfect, just has so many more packages that push my buttons. |
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