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Old 19 August 2019, 08:56 AM   #31
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Yes, a side benefit is no OEM parts in the marketplace.

But it doesn’t stop fakir’s from making them. All they need to do is disassemble one movement for each unique caliber in the Tudor lineup.

I believe Ashton gave the actual reason - control over the service channel.


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Thank you.

True true. A movement refurbished and recertified (?) from the factory guarantees service quality. Also translate to faster service times. Say, 30 minutes to swap out a complete movement versus 3 hours for a conplete teardown.
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Old 19 August 2019, 11:40 AM   #32
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I get the argument for the independent watchmaker, and I agree. But swapping a movement vs ‘servicing’ YOUR movement? What is the difference in the end? Is there an emotional attachment to the movement or certain parts within a movement? Isn’t YOUR movement fundamentally changed when it is serviced? Worn parts are replaced. Good parts are cleaned/lubed and reassembled.
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I agree with you.

This is very common throughout the world now days as there are very few new-generation individuals who want to learn a trade.

Circuit boards, mechanical parts, generators, compressors, motors; almost nobody will rebuild these, they are all "core" products swapped-out and sent back for rebuild.
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Old 19 August 2019, 12:21 PM   #33
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I do highly regard the skill set of watchmakers and any skilled trade in any industry.

In most places today, efficiency overrules personal ‘touch’.

To some degree we all accept the low cost/efficiency benefit of Walmart type businesses. Right? Amazon? Anyone?

I’m not saying I like it, but damn is it convenient?...

I don’t like that the Tudor ‘in house’ movement is not serviced traditionally, but I’m not sure it would have effected my decision at the time.


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Old 19 August 2019, 01:35 PM   #34
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I do highly regard the skill set of watchmakers and any skilled trade in any industry.

In most places today, efficiency overrules personal ‘touch’.

To some degree we all accept the low cost/efficiency benefit of Walmart type businesses. Right? Amazon? Anyone?

I’m not saying I like it, but damn is it convenient?...

I don’t like that the Tudor ‘in house’ movement is not serviced traditionally, but I’m not sure it would have effected my decision at the time.


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Is there confusion here? Swapping a movement doesn't mean the calibre is not serviced. I can't imaging Tudor would be disposing these movements.


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Old 19 August 2019, 01:46 PM   #35
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Is there confusion here? Swapping a movement doesn't mean the calibre is not serviced. I can't imaging Tudor would be disposing these movements.


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No confusion as far as I can tell. The movements are being serviced, just not by traditional processes/methods.

It seems (and I don’t Know 100%), an existing movement is removed and replaced with a movement that has already been serviced.

It is just a different, potentially more cost effective way of providing service efficiently.




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Old 19 August 2019, 03:56 PM   #36
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This is not uncommon for any machine. Replace or overhaul. Sometimes it makes sense to go one way or the other. It doesn't mean one option is better than the other. I have personally made $500,000 replacements vs $50,000 repairs and feel fine with both as the end product is identical in performance.
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An ongoing problem is developing, particularly for vintage Rolex references. If the Rolex parts accounts are cancelled for independents, then the uninitiated have a greater chance
of having their dials, hands and cases replaced without a vote by an RSC.
No OEM parts in the marketplace is a two-edged sword and the watch owner may be injured by either edge.
As for my drilled-lug Submariners, they will be serviced by a CW 21 sans RSC.
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So, are you receiving a "brand new" Tudor movement at "service/swap" time, or a prior re-built one? I would suspect that Tudor is not throwing away a repurposeable item that can be overhauled at their leisure or by subcontractors. Don't know what a new Tudor watch movement warranty is, but guess the service-swap item does not carry same.
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