incoming GRAIL Rolex Oyster Cosmograph 6263 Tiffany & Co

[-Ally-]

Originally Posted by Andad

I read it as:

The watch belongs to a friend and the OP is considering buying it?

Ally: I would have confirmed the situation before posting.

Ok then, you must have added the punctuation yourself to come up with that.

You think the watch is legit ?

[Lol-x]

That dial just looks a little off to me...
The subdials look silver instead of white.
The "Tiffany & Co" print looks like a different paint shade.
The full stop after "Co" looks too close and incorrectly spaced.
This model dial usually has "o t swiss t o" printed under 6 O'Clock.

[speedymoonman]

wow!!!

[Andad]

Originally Posted by -Ally-

Ok then, you must have added the punctuation yourself to come up with that.

You think the watch is legit ?

Yes I guessed the punctuation and considered he referred to it as being his incoming grail.

As for being legit:
As I am not able to hold the watch and check it myself I would have it authenticated.
As soon I see ‘Tiffany and Co’ I pass.

Too big a chance for me.


Steve has picked up some points for discussion.

[Manu77]

Sweet!!

[WCHROLX]

It's such a beauty.

[lukajur]

Congratulations, that is a true grail. Hope it is all genuine.

[1665fan]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

That dial just looks a little off to me...
The subdials look silver instead of white.
The "Tiffany & Co" print looks like a different paint shade.
The full stop after "Co" looks too close and incorrectly spaced.
This model dial usually has "o t swiss t o" printed under 6 O'Clock.

True grail to some....fake to others lol....your friend is playing a very expensive game...

[Odie-r]

Neat!

[rokonman]

Is it me or is this thread strange from every angle?

[Andad]

Originally Posted by rokonman

Is it me or is this thread strange from every angle?

Not really.

These models have a lot of variations.

Check Tiffany Daytona on the big G.

Not like your standard Rolex watches.

Ald is asking you to check this one out?

[GONZO2LR]

yes..strange thread.....

[Vince KSA]

That's a great find, I hope it's genuine.

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by rokonman

Is it me or is this thread strange from every angle?

This thread is likely the best trial balloon on a watch ever, or the Forum’s new early onset dementia tracker...

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Ballzzz

Does it have authentic paperwork?

Have to agree without official papers from Tiffany or conformation from Rolex be very careful without 100% providence buyer be ware.

[roh123]

Terrible looking fake. Run!

[1665fan]

One mans trash....another mans treasure....

[Onequik135i]

Beautiful & in stunning condition too, hope you did your homework on that one. Congrats!

[Kingface66]

These threads are exactly why people go into fits trying to determine authenticity of vintage watches.

Putting aside the confusion over whose watch this is, who's buying it, where it's incoming, etc. we've got forum members who either don't know what they're talking about, or just don't know enough about these specific Daytonas.
On the one side, there're comments confirming authenticity, ("Wow" "Sweet" "Minty" "Amazing find" "gorgeous" "Wow impressive", etc.)
And then there's comments on the dissenting side ("I hope your “friend” don’t pay more than a few hundred dollars for that" "we sure about that dial" "Terrible looking fake", etc.)

So which is it? I am loathe to comment either way because I can admit I don't know what to look for to confirm whether it's authentic, or not. So, if you don't know for sure, why even comment on it??

And I don't mean to insult those member who ARE knowledgable enough to pass judgment. In fact, i am grateful for you guys!

[roh123]

Originally Posted by Kingface66

These threads are exactly why people go into fits trying to determine authenticity of vintage watches.

Putting aside the confusion over whose watch this is, who's buying it, where it's incoming, etc. we've got forum members who either don't know what they're talking about, or just don't know enough about these specific Daytonas.
On the one side, there're comments confirming authenticity, ("Wow" "Sweet" "Minty" "Amazing find" "gorgeous" "Wow impressive", etc.)
And then there's comments on the dissenting side ("I hope your “friend” don’t pay more than a few hundred dollars for that" "we sure about that dial" "Terrible looking fake", etc.)

So which is it? I am loathe to comment either way because I can admit I don't know what to look for to confirm whether it's authentic, or not. So, if you don't know for sure, why even comment on it??

And I don't mean to insult those member who ARE knowledgable enough to pass judgment. In fact, i am grateful for you guys!

Disregard the Tiffany print and you still can’t find another one looking like this. Normally I hate people calling fake but in this case it is so obvious and really no need to go into details. Everything looks off and nothing looks right.

I feel fairly certain that the poster or at least the owner knows this watch is shit. They are just trying to see if anyone got tricked. And many apparantly did get tricked. Scary..

Just for fun..

[vintagewaferthin]

Originally Posted by roh123

Disregard the Tiffany print and you still can’t find another one looking like this. Normally I hate people calling fake but in this case it is so obvious and really no need to go into details. Everything looks off and nothing looks right.

I feel fairly certain that the poster or at least the owner knows this watch is shit. They are just trying to see if anyone got tricked. And many apparantly did get tricked. Scary..

Just for fun..

Definitely not right. I wonder if its just the dial or the whole watch is fake..hmm

[swish77]

Wish I had seen this post yesterday .... the OP's watch appears to have a replica dial. (Without more photos, not sure about case, movement, etc ....).

You don't even need to dissect the font .... incorrect shiny, silvery sub-dials and a service-style little red "Daytona" on a Tiffany-stamped dial? I don't think so.

Here's my real (former) black 6263. All you need to do is a quick glance/comparison.

[emersm]

Originally Posted by swish77

Here's my real (former) black 6263. All you need to do is a quick glance/comparison.

Stunning!

[Michael M.]

Dial is most certainly incorrect. It is either a tritium or luminova "small red" service dial with a poorly added Tiffany stamp (very strange font). The rest of the watch is likely genuine with service components; bezel and pushers.

[roh123]

Originally Posted by Michael M.

Dial is most certainly incorrect. It is either a tritium or luminova "small red" service dial with a poorly added Tiffany stamp (very strange font). The rest of the watch is likely genuine with service components; bezel and pushers.

Agreed. Was thinking the same regarding a service dial but I’ve never seen them with the glossy silver finish. Are there different variations with similar subdials? Can’t say I handled many small reds at all but I’ve seen a few.

[Michael M.]

Originally Posted by roh123

Agreed. Was thinking the same regarding a service dial but I’ve never seen them with the glossy silver finish. Are there different variations with similar subdials? Can’t say I handled many small reds at all but I’ve seen a few.

I've never studied the service dials as closely as the originals of course, but there are several variants of service dials that I have seen. The fonts will have minute variations along with the finishing of the subdials; some are more silvery than others. There are early tritium small red service dials from the 1990's as well as the recent luminova versions.

Additionally, I wouldn't be surprised if the watch in question has a service replacement case. Has factory finishing but seems to match the recent service components in age/lack of wear. Just a hypothesis. I could be mistaken.

[roh123]

Originally Posted by Michael M.

I've never studied the service dials as closely as the originals of course, but there are several variants of service dials that I have seen. The fonts will have minute variations along with the finishing of the subdials; some are more silvery than others. There are early tritium small red service dials from the 1990's as well as the recent luminova versions.

Additionally, I wouldn't be surprised if the watch in question has a service replacement case. Has factory finishing but seems to match the recent service components in age/lack of wear. Just a hypothesis. I could be mistaken.

Yes. The bakelite looks like a new service part and the case is minty fresh. Could either just be service parts or all wrong. We do agree that a Tiffany print on a service dial still makes absolutely no sense.

Have a great day Michael! Thanks for weighting in.

[swish77]

Originally Posted by Michael M.

I've never studied the service dials as closely as the originals of course, but there are several variants of service dials that I have seen. The fonts will have minute variations along with the finishing of the subdials; some are more silvery than others. There are early tritium small red service dials from the 1990's as well as the recent luminova versions.

Additionally, I wouldn't be surprised if the watch in question has a service replacement case. Has factory finishing but seems to match the recent service components in age/lack of wear. Just a hypothesis. I could be mistaken.

I know that some black 6263 service dials had a slight hint of silver in the sub-dials, but the OP's version seems to have way too much of that look, which is also common on replica dials. (See confirmed service dial below for comparison.)

But again, and as above, how/why would a Rolex service dial have a Tiffany stamp? (Rhetorical question.)

[TimeLord2]

It's a beautiful watch to the untrained eye, and I would include both of mine. @swish77, @Roh123 and @Michael M. Well played… I think I'm not alone saying the Forum appreciates all six of your eyeballs.

[stmoore]

Originally Posted by ALD3396

Not mine a Friends trying to buy it LOL.

Did your friend pay $100 for it?

You know exactly what you are doing here. Stop.