How many 5370p are produced per year?

[levelero]

If someone can bring here some light, i will appreciate...

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[KarlS]

Sadly the only person who know is Thierry. Any answer you get here will be a guess and devoid of little fact

[levelero]

But a guessing, estimation, whatever, would be interesting to calm my curiosity

[ggencer]

All I can say is in very small numbers like all split second pieces...


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[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by levelero

But a guessing, estimation, whatever, would be interesting to calm my curiosity

18 and maybe 19 on a leap year.

Thats my guess

[KarlS]

I think it's an application piece

[lapince]

Originally Posted by KarlS

I think it's an application piece

Don't think so, is it not our departed Brian who wanted one but to have it he had to buy a 24 on top? Seems it was him but might be mistaken, so not application, in any case they make few...

[jon_jon]

Originally Posted by KarlS

I think it's an application piece

Officially watches like the 5370 and 5204 are application pieces. However if an AD has one that is not allocated and someone walks in with cash, I am sure the AD would sell it. There are a few different ways AD get special pieces like these and so there are ways for people to get these watches without necessarily submitting an application and waiting for one.

We have a couple of forum members who own the 5370 and perhaps they will share their experience.

Originally Posted by tyler1980

18 and maybe 19 on a leap year.

Thats my guess

I agree. Probably not more than 20-25 a year. They used to make 10-12 5004's a year back when they were in production. But I am sure Patek has the capacity to make a lot more split-second chronos now since the movement is all in-house.

[levelero]

So, if about 20 per year, sounds like a real small production.

But again same story, almost one year production in chrono24? Or not real adds... strange market!

[unknown]

Originally Posted by jon_jon

Officially watches like the 5370 and 5204 are application pieces. However if an AD has one that is not allocated and someone walks in with cash, I am sure the AD would sell it. There are a few different ways AD get special pieces like these and so there are ways for people to get these watches without necessarily submitting an application and waiting for one.

We have a couple of forum members who own the 5370 and perhaps they will share their experience.



I agree. Probably not more than 20-25 a year. They used to make 10-12 5004's a year back when they were in production. But I am sure Patek has the capacity to make a lot more split-second chronos now since the movement is all in-house.

must be a lot more 5004
To end the production they made these in steel. Only that badge was 50 ( and some say they even increased it to 100)
I don't know how many but 10 or 12 is way too low.
go to chrono 24 and see how many 5070 / 5970 and 5004 are for sale. I agree quite a few dealers advertise these but they don't have it in stock, but that counts for all the references
You'l be surprised by the amount of 5004

[lapince]

Can't speak for all C24 dealers, but every time I inquired for one they had it, ok I wasn't in PP GC league, but was always given positive answers

[Sam Philip]

I don't know about the numbers produced but when I asked about the delivery time scales Patek Salon said they could get either 5370 or 5204 within 12 months.

[KarlS]

Originally Posted by Sam Philip

I don't know about the numbers produced but when I asked about the delivery time scales Patek Salon said they could get either 5370 or 5204 within 12 months.

Yes within 12 months was answer I received

[levelero]

Thank you for the answers:)


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[Hamish]

I think the number is over 100 per year

[levelero]

Originally Posted by Hamish

I think the number is over 100 per year

Wow, thats rather more than the 25 from the previous answers... how you do to estimate the number? Thanks!


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[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by Hamish

I think the number is over 100 per year

i made my number out of thin air. OP specifically stated this was a guessing game. The beauty of this game is there is no verifiable answer, so we all win.

Not a lot is the only thing everyone knows for sure.

[levelero]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

i made my number out of thin air. OP specifically stated this was a guessing game. The beauty of this game is there is no verifiable answer, so we all win.

Not a lot is the only thing everyone knows for sure.

Haha. Good, all to be winners:) here is one more! Lovely watch....


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[jon_jon]

Originally Posted by unknown

must be a lot more 5004
To end the production they made these in steel. Only that badge was 50 ( and some say they even increased it to 100)
I don't know how many but 10 or 12 is way too low.
go to chrono 24 and see how many 5070 / 5970 and 5004 are for sale. I agree quite a few dealers advertise these but they don't have it in stock, but that counts for all the references
You'l be surprised by the amount of 5004

It is true that the official production numbers for the 5004A was 50. I have also heard the rumors that there may be 100 made, although no official statement exists to support that.

As for the number of 5004s produced a year that I mentioned above, it is not a number I came up with myself, as I am not an expert on the 5004. However it is something I heard from one of the top Patek Philippe experts. In the following youtube video, John Reardon, states that only 300 were made and I remember his saying that 10-12 a year were made in another interview, although I can't find that one at the moment. You can certainly disagree with John Reardon and his numbers, but he is a leading expert, respected by many in the industry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJf1NF28bs4

In the following article, John Reardon writes about the approximate number of PP perpetual calendar chronos produced in the past:

http://www.christies.com/features/Pa...es-7654-1.aspx

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by Hamish

I think the number is over 100 per year

I would agree but it's pure speculation. I'm basing it off the sheer number of fabulously wealthy clients they service worldwide.

[archer75]

A friend just got it - and I am in love with it. He has been waiting since it was announced.




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[The B]

Originally Posted by jon_jon

Officially watches like the 5370 and 5204 are application pieces. However if an AD has one that is not allocated and someone walks in with cash, I am sure the AD would sell it. There are a few different ways AD get special pieces like these and so there are ways for people to get these watches without necessarily submitting an application and waiting for one.

We have a couple of forum members who own the 5370 and perhaps they will share their experience.



I agree. Probably not more than 20-25 a year. They used to make 10-12 5004's a year back when they were in production. But I am sure Patek has the capacity to make a lot more split-second chronos now since the movement is all in-house.

I have no meaningful speculation on the production numbers. However I was able to aquire the 5370p from an outside the US relatively quickly. I get the feeling that the enamel breguet is an aquired taste in some parts of the world so there is more market 'wiggle room'.

About application pieces, I have run across them from time to time sitting at the dealer and even though they were readily offered without the wait (ordering party backed out) I still had to submit my list of watches to aquire it (5204p).

[Calatrava r]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

i made my number out of thin air. OP specifically stated this was a guessing game. The beauty of this game is there is no verifiable answer, so we all win.

Not a lot is the only thing everyone knows for sure.

Sorry no prize, the verified correct number is 102. On a serious note, I suspect the movement needs lots of lubricating and service for the extensive tiny parts.

[levelero]

what a cool one... in love!

Originally Posted by archer75

A friend just got it - and I am in love with it. He has been waiting since it was announced.




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[Chiboy]

Originally Posted by The B

About application pieces, I have run across them from time to time sitting at the dealer and even though they were readily offered without the wait (ordering party backed out) I still had to submit my list of watches to aquire it (5204p).

Patek Philippe requires you to list the watches (or PP watches) you own in order to determine if they will take your money on a new piece?

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by Chiboy

Patek Philippe requires you to list the watches (or PP watches) you own in order to determine if they will take your money on a new piece?

Welcome to Patek.

[Chiboy]

Originally Posted by GB-man

Welcome to Patek.

Ha! I don't see myself buying one, unless I get a relatively simple one as a dress watch one day, but I guess I am Patek-curious.

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by Chiboy

Ha! I don't see myself buying one, unless I get a relatively simple one as a dress watch one day, but I guess I am Patek-curious.

It's only for application pieces. Not really a concern until you start aiming for the stars.

[archer75]

Originally Posted by levelero

what a cool one... in love!

It is really really good


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[The B]

Yes. In the past when I have inquired about a new special piece, if AD feels that they can deliver it (need both conditions) the AD (if they feel they don't know all the owners PP watches) will ask to update the owners list of PP watches when they make the request into PP. More is better, as they literately choose whom they wish to sell a watch to at the high demand or rare piece levels.