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-- Millennials are probably torrenting the movies online. I doubt it's because they're all busy doing something more expensive and fun -- On the topic of interest rates, cheap money is a moot point for those who don't qualify. If a millennial has consumer debt, he/she probably does pay over 14% apr because it's a credit card balance Powerfunk has a point. It's hard to blame people for their bad behavior when they lack a realistic shot at a better future. |
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Prior to that the numbers are all over the place. Most people only know the Hollywood image of the gunfighter. But some reading indicates that was a fantasy. Some cities like Dodge might have been the same rates are current US cities like Chicago, NY, and Balt. But mostly people were trying to farm and such. The drop might have been because towns and cities started to have police forces. Before that, it gets much worse. From the fall of the Romans until 1800, you got stabbed deep you were in big trouble. So murder didn't actually required severe damage. Just get a deep puncture would and they didn't know how to operate or understand infection, you died. And going back to the Roman Empire, I think it was far worse. Life was cheap. No police, just "vigilantes" Vigiles Urbani. And remember, none of the murder rates includes deaths, AFAIK or could tell, of slaves from the Greeks until modern times. I suspect today is a relatively peaceful time and it got much, much worse as one went back in time by centuries. So yeah, today, you instantly know everything going on as everyone has Twitter and you know immediately about death. In 1980, a peak murder rate time in the 20th century, one only got news from TV and papers. In 1930, another higher cycle, it was papers and radio. In 44 BC, well, good luck knowing that the farmer 10 miles away was murdered. Hate has always existed and if one considered homicide as a primary measure, we doing pretty good these days. Quote:
To that I claim nonsense. How about the Persian, Greek, and Roman slaves? How about the peasants and crop farmers? How about the Native Americans whose land was taken? You think they were happy? While his point might have some validity in a current context say between 2006, pre-recession, until today, in the big scheme of life we live in luxury. There is no other way to put it, we lead luxurious lives with "welfare" and "social security". Get shot or in a car accident, you are whisked away to shock trauma. In the past, you just died, and usually by 40. But for the OP, I do believe he is wrong, as its a matter of perception. If it were 44 BC, you didn't know about the hate 10 miles away. If it were 200 AD, you didn't know about the hate 15 miles away (maybe you owned a horse then) If it were 1840, you didn't know about the hate 500 miles away (you had Pony Express or telegraph) If it were 1929, you didn't know about the hate other than what the newspaper or radio told you - that is, they filtered it for you. Everyone should realize how much information was censored from the public. With the media acting as a middle man, this could have been worse than the past because know they decided what you read. If it were 1980, you didn't know about the hate other than what newspapers, radio, or TV told, you, that is, the media filtered the hate for you. Today? There is no need for any media. You instantly know about all the hatred in the world. Instantly. No one is filtering it. No one is interpreting it for you. This means someone else isn't deciding what you see and hear. And that's what the OP is missing. |
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That's your only justification for calling "nonsense" on my post? We appear to have creature comforts and conveniences, so we don't get to complain, period basically? That's honestly a mindset a lot of young people are tired of hearing. If you want to casually dismiss all of the indicators that my generation is facing an uphill economic battle, that's your prerogative. It's not about how pleasant our present lives are; it's about realistic expectations for the future. |
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See #1. EVERYONE, throughout history, hates something, and the farther back you go time, it likely true the "hate" is much more vast because they had it a "lot tougher" than today. If you want to casually dismiss all of the indicators that my generation is facing an uphill economic battle, No, I'm not. I'm saying they are no different than the past. EVERYONE has economic problems. And YES, do not dismiss those sent to debtors prison. Yes, it was a real thing. Can't pay your bill? Go to prison until you could. See the point? But today, you (generically being everyone) can complain instantly to the world. POOR ME!!! What am I to do? I have to work until I'm 65. I won't have social security because the Baby Boomers used it all. You have a platform But throughout history, others do not. Hence "hate" is visible. So when the OP says Everywhere I look, on every comment section basically everywhere... Every forum, every news site, every fitness site, every car site.... Haters. The absolute vast majority are haters. And you say "poor me, I can't buy a house" Well lots of people can't buy house. But "you" have a platform. Those in the past don't This wasn't a "when I was a kid we walked through a snowstorm to school without shoes" argument. No, its a "you can't can't compare apples to oranges" argument. |
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5 October 2017, 02:57 AM | #128 |
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I'm so glad I didn't join this thread, what a bunch of haters.
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5 October 2017, 03:17 AM | #129 |
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Fact is, society does change over time. The generational wealth gap has never been larger. Mr Twi, appreciate your perspective, and please don't force the mods to lock the thread
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Mr Twi has some excellent points to consider. Well reasoned and thought provoking, regardless of your perspective.
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If you were to ask this question say in 1930, why do I think you might get the answer that the WWII generation, the greatest generation, might have been doomed? Surely those alive in the Roaring Twenties must have been living the large life and BOOM, suicides as some jumped from windows. After all, the depression depressed the entire world and nothing has come close to the Great Depression since. And magically the world came out of the Great Depression, survived, and has gone onto new heights. Perspective. :) |
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Forbes: Wealth Inequality Between Young and Old Generations Reaches Record High (2011) https://www.forbes.com/sites/evapere...cord-high/amp/ Washington Post: The growing wealth gap that nobody is talking about (2015) https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.3bd6d90e2341 Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis: An Even Wider Generational Wealth Gap? (2017) https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-ec...nal-wealth-gap |
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None of these sources are original material. They are summaries of someone elses work. Lets go to the originals. Your original comment: The generational wealth gap has never been larger. Source 1 refers to Pew http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2011/...c=prc-headline it only goes back to the 80s. In no way does that help for “never been larger”. Source 2 and 3 refer to identical research. Lets go to the original. https://www.stlouisfed.org/~/media/F...ear-Wealth.pdf This is much better, more research going to the turn of the century. What would have happened if this study was done in 1940? What would it have said? Given the US was STILL in the Great Depression, as it was only WWII that brought the US out of the depression, what would they have said about the "Silent Generation, people born in say 1930 vice 25 years earlier in 1905? You think they might have thought them hopeless waiting in bread lines, desperate for work with NO hope of ever finding it? Ever talk to someone who lived through the great Depression? Through the hardships they went through? In the worst of 2008, it was nothing compared to the 30s. And this is why I don't think one can say "the gap has never been larger." Take a snapshot, just like this is a snapshot, in the 30s. Maybe I missed something in the original material #2? |
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