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2 July 2015, 06:47 AM | #91 |
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Not to my knowledge. The only model I believe is the SBGE line. There is a black dial version, not limited. Mine has a beautiful forest green dial.
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Great discussion. I received a GS SBGA127 from my very generous wife for Christmas. Beautiful watch, superb attention to detail, etc - everything I've read about them is true. I understand the resistance to GS coming from the Swiss fans - the choice of which to choose isn't always based on reality, but on intangibles, like how the watch makes you feel. There is no winning that kind of argument. The great thing is that we have options, really good ones! Btw, in 30 days on my wrist, it is now running at +1, and has never gone past that (nor does it fluctuate). The OCD in me wants to reset it, but I'm probably going to let it run for a few months before I do, just to see its accuracy over the long haul.
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Big difference in thickness - the GS 3 handers run 12-13mm, which is thick compared with comparable calatravas that generally are in the 8-9mm range. For casual and sport it is fine but for dress under a shirt cuff not so much.
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Seiko Lumibrite was Seiko Lumibrite – the same type was used throughout. Differences were down to amount used. The newly introduced models in the MarineMaster range, have a new stronger lume (60% greater lasting), which might just remain there since no Grand Seikos are rated for more than 300m, whereas the Prospex line has 600 and 1000m models. As for other GMT models with the sapphire bezel – no, it’s only the sporty models from the SBGE line. SBGM (28.8k) and SBGJ (36k) are automatic GMTs with conventional bezel (a la Explorer II) and internal chapter ring respectively. |
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I am attracted to grand Seiko as well lately. Hope to find the reference I like soon after this.
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Owner of PP 5167 and GS SBGW253
I just picked up a Grand Seiko SBGW253 limited edition. It’s a beautiful watch.
I also own a PP 5167a, so perhaps I can offer my two cents. Someone commented earlier that the dial work on GS is on par with PP, but the PP is at a higher level when it comes to movement and case finishing. I completely agree. The GS hands are razor sharp and perfect. At least as good as on a Calatrava. I can’t really compare the GS hands to my Aquanaut, because the Aquanaut is a sports model (I’ve never like the seconds hand on the Aquanaut—it’s white and plastic, which I feel looks cheap and out of place on a $20k watch). I’ve seen and handled Calatravas, and personally I like the GS dial better. However, PP really shines when it comes to case and movement finishing. The Aquanaut’s combination of brushed and polished surfaces on the case is far superior to the GS’s case. My GS has a closed caseback, but taking a look at other GS models that have open casebacks, they really aren’t in the same league as PP. I love staring at my 5167’s 324 SC movement. I purchased the GS SBGW253 because it looks somewhat similar to the Lange Saxonia Thin 37mm, which is what I really wanted. But I got an opportunity to purchase the GS and figured why not spend $5700 instead of $14800. I feel like the GS is tremendous value, but it’s not a Lange. The Lange’s case and movement finishing is even better than PP’s imo. |
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Great examples of 2 fine dress watches
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The dials are each refined and manufactured with the greatest of care. The curved dial of the grand seiko catches the light in ways that make it exceptionally unique in my experience. The dial of the patek is also done with great detail and refinement.
The patek has a slightly domed crystal which also plays with the light and adds interest. The GS has a crystal that is styled after a plexiglass but made of Saphire, also adding dimension and interest. Case wise i believe they are both of very fine quality. The movement of the patek is of a different caliber. Both have a 72 hour power reserve which I find very satisfying. Finally when all is said and done, Among the most important qualities a timepiece can have is balance ... in this comparison my opinion is this grand seiko design is nearly perfect in its balance, size and function .
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I really am getting an itch over the 5170G and I neither like chrono nor manual winds!
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Can someone tell me the difference between a Grand Seiko and Credor? Which is the higher quality? I notice no one displayed a Credor.
I lived in Japan for many years and am a big believer in their workmanship. We only buy cars that are made in Japan, like Mazda. Reliability is unparalleled. |
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Those two aren’t in the same league, but compare the Calatrava to the SBGW252, the new limited edition in yellow gold. The PP movement is better but in other respects I’m not sure the PP is much better.
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Yes it is.
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Would have been nice if it came with a deployant clasp.
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I suppose it does compete with Patek in terms of decoration, finishing, price, and complications. I assume the market for Credor is wealthy Japanese who want Made-in-Japan haute horlogerie |
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Should be reasonable in SS.
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18 October 2017, 10:41 AM | #113 |
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I'm a fan for sure
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Patek & Grand Seiko
Beautiful watch, Gus. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Great looking watches guys.....
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18 October 2017, 02:17 PM | #116 |
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thanks Kevin
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