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Old 2 July 2015, 06:47 AM   #91
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Not to my knowledge. The only model I believe is the SBGE line. There is a black dial version, not limited. Mine has a beautiful forest green dial.
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Old 25 January 2016, 05:04 AM   #92
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Great discussion. I received a GS SBGA127 from my very generous wife for Christmas. Beautiful watch, superb attention to detail, etc - everything I've read about them is true. I understand the resistance to GS coming from the Swiss fans - the choice of which to choose isn't always based on reality, but on intangibles, like how the watch makes you feel. There is no winning that kind of argument. The great thing is that we have options, really good ones! Btw, in 30 days on my wrist, it is now running at +1, and has never gone past that (nor does it fluctuate). The OCD in me wants to reset it, but I'm probably going to let it run for a few months before I do, just to see its accuracy over the long haul.
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Old 25 January 2016, 06:24 AM   #93
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Big difference in thickness - the GS 3 handers run 12-13mm, which is thick compared with comparable calatravas that generally are in the 8-9mm range. For casual and sport it is fine but for dress under a shirt cuff not so much.
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Old 25 January 2016, 07:21 AM   #94
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Great discussion. I received a GS SBGA127 from my very generous wife for Christmas. Beautiful watch, superb attention to detail, etc - everything I've read about them is true. I understand the resistance to GS coming from the Swiss fans - the choice of which to choose isn't always based on reality, but on intangibles, like how the watch makes you feel. There is no winning that kind of argument. The great thing is that we have options, really good ones! Btw, in 30 days on my wrist, it is now running at +1, and has never gone past that (nor does it fluctuate). The OCD in me wants to reset it, but I'm probably going to let it run for a few months before I do, just to see its accuracy over the long haul.
What a beauty! With the SD watches you can expect +- 1sec/month even if Seiko advertises 1sec/day.
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Old 25 January 2016, 10:26 AM   #95
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If you like the design ethics, there is little else you can compare the GS to in the same price range. Mine is one of 150 world wide and it cost me $3,000 less than a Rolex GMT.
Aesthetics – ethics is related to moral principles, not design principles.
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Old 25 January 2016, 10:49 AM   #96
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Are you kidding me!! Sapphire bezel?? WOOLALA!!!
And that lume on it, that's so common sense and very useful and practical!!

I believe the lume is of Seiko standards? But since it's a GS, I expect it to be better than normal Seiko lume? And i'm of those who always envies my brothers Seiko lume when I see it glowing at night. They are one of the best in the industry imo.

Thanks for correcting me. I was referring to the Hour hands and not the GMT hands. So it behaves like a GMT-master II but with lume on the bezel inserts instead of indices.

Are there similar model GMT GS with sapphire bezels with lume but not a spring drive?
Sapphire bezel is no different to what Blancpain does on their Fifty Fathoms, who I believe were the first to do so.
Seiko Lumibrite was Seiko Lumibrite – the same type was used throughout. Differences were down to amount used.
The newly introduced models in the MarineMaster range, have a new stronger lume (60% greater lasting), which might just remain there since no Grand Seikos are rated for more than 300m, whereas the Prospex line has 600 and 1000m models.

As for other GMT models with the sapphire bezel – no, it’s only the sporty models from the SBGE line.
SBGM (28.8k) and SBGJ (36k) are automatic GMTs with conventional bezel (a la Explorer II) and internal chapter ring respectively.
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Old 25 January 2016, 11:55 AM   #97
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Aesthetics – ethics is related to moral principles, not design principles.

Yes I know. Bad spelling and auto correct got me!
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Old 30 January 2016, 05:44 PM   #98
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I am attracted to grand Seiko as well lately. Hope to find the reference I like soon after this.
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Old 15 October 2017, 03:44 PM   #99
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Owner of PP 5167 and GS SBGW253

I just picked up a Grand Seiko SBGW253 limited edition. It’s a beautiful watch.
I also own a PP 5167a, so perhaps I can offer my two cents.

Someone commented earlier that the dial work on GS is on par with PP, but the PP is at a higher level when it comes to movement and case finishing. I completely agree.

The GS hands are razor sharp and perfect. At least as good as on a Calatrava. I can’t really compare the GS hands to my Aquanaut, because the Aquanaut is a sports model (I’ve never like the seconds hand on the Aquanaut—it’s white and plastic, which I feel looks cheap and out of place on a $20k watch). I’ve seen and handled Calatravas, and personally I like the GS dial better.

However, PP really shines when it comes to case and movement finishing. The Aquanaut’s combination of brushed and polished surfaces on the case is far superior to the GS’s case. My GS has a closed caseback, but taking a look at other GS models that have open casebacks, they really aren’t in the same league as PP. I love staring at my 5167’s 324 SC movement.

I purchased the GS SBGW253 because it looks somewhat similar to the Lange Saxonia Thin 37mm, which is what I really wanted. But I got an opportunity to purchase the GS and figured why not spend $5700 instead of $14800. I feel like the GS is tremendous value, but it’s not a Lange. The Lange’s case and movement finishing is even better than PP’s imo.
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Old 15 October 2017, 10:25 PM   #100
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Another comparison - No Date Dress Watch

PP 5196


GS SBGW039
Great examples of 2 fine dress watches
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Old 16 October 2017, 12:59 AM   #101
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The dials are each refined and manufactured with the greatest of care. The curved dial of the grand seiko catches the light in ways that make it exceptionally unique in my experience. The dial of the patek is also done with great detail and refinement.

The patek has a slightly domed crystal which also plays with the light and adds interest. The GS has a crystal that is styled after a plexiglass but made of Saphire, also adding dimension and interest.

Case wise i believe they are both of very fine quality.

The movement of the patek is of a different caliber.

Both have a 72 hour power reserve which I find very satisfying.

Finally when all is said and done, Among the most important qualities a timepiece can have is balance ... in this comparison my opinion is this grand seiko design is nearly perfect in its balance, size and function .
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Old 16 October 2017, 02:00 AM   #102
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I really am getting an itch over the 5170G and I neither like chrono nor manual winds!
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Old 16 October 2017, 02:19 AM   #103
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Yellow Gold Dress Watch Comparison

5127 vs SBGH020
Seiko makes some nice Sub homages and here we have what is basically a Calatrava homage. But in my opinion to suggest that they are even remotely in the same league borders on the ridiculous.
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Old 16 October 2017, 02:41 AM   #104
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Can someone tell me the difference between a Grand Seiko and Credor? Which is the higher quality? I notice no one displayed a Credor.

I lived in Japan for many years and am a big believer in their workmanship. We only buy cars that are made in Japan, like Mazda. Reliability is unparalleled.
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Old 16 October 2017, 03:20 AM   #105
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Seiko makes some nice Sub homages and here we have what is basically a Calatrava homage. But in my opinion to suggest that they are even remotely in the same league borders on the ridiculous.
Those two aren’t in the same league, but compare the Calatrava to the SBGW252, the new limited edition in yellow gold. The PP movement is better but in other respects I’m not sure the PP is much better.
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Old 16 October 2017, 03:22 AM   #106
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Great examples of 2 fine dress watches
The GS pic you posted is the SBGW253
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Old 16 October 2017, 03:37 AM   #107
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The dials are each refined and manufactured with the greatest of care. The curved dial of the grand seiko catches the light in ways that make it exceptionally unique in my experience. The dial of the patek is also done with great detail and refinement.

The patek has a slightly domed crystal which also plays with the light and adds interest. The GS has a crystal that is styled after a plexiglass but made of Saphire, also adding dimension and interest.

Case wise i believe they are both of very fine quality.

The movement of the patek is of a different caliber.

Both have a 72 hour power reserve which I find very satisfying.

Finally when all is said and done, Among the most important qualities a timepiece can have is balance ... in this comparison my opinion is this grand seiko design is nearly perfect in its balance, size and function .
Love that strap on the SBGW253. I just ordered one from Camille Fournet that will look similar to yours. The OEM strap isn’t great at all.
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Old 16 October 2017, 08:27 AM   #108
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The GS pic you posted is the SBGW253
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Love that strap on the SBGW253. I just ordered one from Camille Fournet that will look similar to yours. The OEM strap isn’t great at all.
Will look great.
Would have been nice if it came with a deployant clasp.
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Old 17 October 2017, 02:15 PM   #109
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Will look great.
Would have been nice if it came with a deployant clasp.
I totally agree. That was one of my first thoughts when I bought this watch.
Do you know of any good aftermarket deployant clasps?
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Can someone tell me the difference between a Grand Seiko and Credor? Which is the higher quality? I notice no one displayed a Credor.

I lived in Japan for many years and am a big believer in their workmanship. We only buy cars that are made in Japan, like Mazda. Reliability is unparalleled.
Credor is a cut above Grand Seiko and is Seiko's highest priced product line.

I suppose it does compete with Patek in terms of decoration, finishing, price, and complications. I assume the market for Credor is wealthy Japanese who want Made-in-Japan haute horlogerie
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Old 17 October 2017, 09:31 PM   #111
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I totally agree. That was one of my first thoughts when I bought this watch.
Do you know of any good aftermarket deployant clasps?
I would try to source something from grand seiko rather than aftermarket.

Should be reasonable in SS.
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Old 18 October 2017, 12:29 AM   #112
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Yes I know. Bad spelling and auto correct got me!

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Old 18 October 2017, 10:41 AM   #113
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Old 18 October 2017, 01:35 PM   #114
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Old 18 October 2017, 02:17 PM   #116
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