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DSplash · 20 March 2019, 09:18 AM

Hi!
The 5513 is a reference I’m not very familiar with and I came across this example I don’t really know what to think of...
The owner claims to be the 2nd one and that the watch has never been touched since its production in 1979.
From what I’ve been able to compare on various websites, the dial would be a maxi mk2 but is the insert a later service part or aftermarket? The pearl seems to be circled...that would indicate luminova instead of tritium, no?
Is it even worth asking more detailed pictures or is there an evident red flag I’m not seeing (if not the insert!)
Thx!

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Mr JJ · 20 March 2019, 09:25 AM

I'm a bit skeptical about the "never been touched" claim, especially the lugs,
and thats just for starters.

inadeje · 20 March 2019, 10:07 AM

OP - your questions would be answerable if we had some notion of what is be asked for the watch. It looks quite good on the surface but, this would change if the price was crazy high. The dial is very similar to mine and, overal, the watch looks much like my 5513 in terms of condition. I’m guessing that the circle in the center of the dial is a dust ring from the hands? Is there some debris under them that would create that dust swept effect?

DSplash · 20 March 2019, 04:36 PM

I didn’t even notice that circle! I checked the font, the position of every letter but didn’t even see that!

I asked for more detailed pictures of the dial and of each lug

The asked price would be 11k$, probably negotiable...

What about the insert? The font is too thin to be period correct isn’t it?

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DSplash · 20 March 2019, 04:55 PM

Got a fast answer! The seller thinks this circle is indeed scratching from the hands!

Next...

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cajuntiger · 20 March 2019, 11:33 PM

I have rarely met a 50 year old watch that has been "untouched"...I have to laugh every time I hear this...especially since there are obvious signs it has been touched.

Its not bad looking other than the circle...but it would be odd if the hands were dragging at that point on the dial...yet another sign that its been "touched" and a clue that the toucher didn't know what he/she was doing.

Beelzy · 21 March 2019, 04:03 AM

Under looks to be aftermarket, and those lugs are shiny like chrome!
The dial is yet another story. There's better out there for that kind of money.

brockburst · 21 March 2019, 04:27 AM

insert is service pretty sure

20 March 2019, 09:18 AM	#1
DSplash "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Paris Posts: 258	Thoughts on this 5513 Hi! The 5513 is a reference I’m not very familiar with and I came across this example I don’t really know what to think of... The owner claims to be the 2nd one and that the watch has never been touched since its production in 1979. From what I’ve been able to compare on various websites, the dial would be a maxi mk2 but is the insert a later service part or aftermarket? The pearl seems to be circled...that would indicate luminova instead of tritium, no? Is it even worth asking more detailed pictures or is there an evident red flag I’m not seeing (if not the insert!) Thx! Envoyé de mon iPhone en utilisant Tapatalk

20 March 2019, 10:07 AM	#3
inadeje 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Miami Watch: me lose count. Posts: 5,568	OP - your questions would be answerable if we had some notion of what is be asked for the watch. It looks quite good on the surface but, this would change if the price was crazy high. The dial is very similar to mine and, overal, the watch looks much like my 5513 in terms of condition. I’m guessing that the circle in the center of the dial is a dust ring from the hands? Is there some debris under them that would create that dust swept effect? __________________ ♛ 116689 ♛ 116500LN Blk ♛ 116500LN Wht ♛ Sky Dweller 326934-003 ♛ 126710BLNR ♛ 126710BLRO - ♛ 126610LV ♛ 16520 ♛ 16523 ♛ 16610 ♛ 5513 Birth Year - ✠ Patek Philippe 5980/1A-001 - AP 26331ST Panda - Panerai Fiddy 127, Bronzo 671, 687, 111, Ω Speedmaster 1957 Broad Arrow, Daniel Roth Endurer Chronosprint, Cartier Santos XL - ✿ Tudor Black Bay 58 Bronze M79012M, Montblanc TimeWalker Chrono 41

20 March 2019, 11:33 PM	#6
cajuntiger "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Real Name: Who Dat Location: USA Watch: 5512 Posts: 1,124	I have rarely met a 50 year old watch that has been "untouched"...I have to laugh every time I hear this...especially since there are obvious signs it has been touched. Its not bad looking other than the circle...but it would be odd if the hands were dragging at that point on the dial...yet another sign that its been "touched" and a clue that the toucher didn't know what he/she was doing. __________________ @heuerautavia

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20 March 2019, 09:25 AM	#2
Mr JJ "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Sydney Watch: 16610N Posts: 214	I'm a bit skeptical about the "never been touched" claim, especially the lugs, and thats just for starters.

20 March 2019, 04:36 PM	#4
DSplash "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Paris Posts: 258	I didn’t even notice that circle! I checked the font, the position of every letter but didn’t even see that! I asked for more detailed pictures of the dial and of each lug The asked price would be 11k$, probably negotiable... What about the insert? The font is too thin to be period correct isn’t it? Envoyé de mon iPhone en utilisant Tapatalk

20 March 2019, 04:55 PM	#5
DSplash "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Paris Posts: 258	Got a fast answer! The seller thinks this circle is indeed scratching from the hands! Next... Envoyé de mon iPhone en utilisant Tapatalk

21 March 2019, 04:03 AM	#7
Beelzy "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2010 Real Name: Chris Location: Cen-Cal Watch: 16610 Posts: 869	Under looks to be aftermarket, and those lugs are shiny like chrome! The dial is yet another story. There's better out there for that kind of money.

21 March 2019, 04:27 AM	#8
brockburst 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Chicago Posts: 792	insert is service pretty sure

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