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Hank · 25 April 2018, 05:45 PM

White Nautilus 5711/1A + AP ROO 26400IO for a BNIB 5712/1A? Yay or nay?

These two -

For this -

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tyler1980 · 25 April 2018, 05:50 PM

absolutely not, that is an awful trade (for you)

Hank · 25 April 2018, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by tyler1980

absolutely not, that is an awful trade (for you)

Your opinion is always highly regarded but may I ask why you think so?

tyler1980 · 25 April 2018, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank

Your opinion is always highly regarded but may I ask why you think so?

If you look at secondary pricing of both of your watches and add it up, the price of the 5712 makes it a bad deal unless you have a lot of cash going your way.

Lets just say 45k for the 5711 plus maybe 24k for the AP and you are close to 70k. A 5712 can be had for around 50k. Im just ball parking based on chrono 24 prices, but in general its bad for you.

LAFLARE · 25 April 2018, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank

Your opinion is always highly regarded but may I ask why you think so?

I don't think this is financially a good trade for you either. Alternatively, what makes you think this is a good trade?

Helmi · 25 April 2018, 06:21 PM

Agree with Tyler, both watches for the 5712 is an expensive trade for you. If it was me I would give the AP plus cash and get the 12. The white 11 is too good to go

Russell996 · 25 April 2018, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank

White Nautilus 5711/1A + AP ROO 26400IO for a BNIB 5712/1A? Yay or nay?

No No No.

Hank · 25 April 2018, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tyler1980

If you look at secondary pricing of both of your watches and add it up, the price of the 5712 makes it a bad deal unless you have a lot of cash going your way.

Lets just say 45k for the 5711 plus maybe 24k for the AP and you are close to 70k. A 5712 can be had for around 50k. Im just ball parking based on chrono 24 prices, but in general its bad for you.

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Originally Posted by LAFLARE

I don't think this is financially a good trade for you either. Alternatively, what makes you think this is a good trade?

Fyi, I bought the AP for 25k and the PP for 40k - combined value of 65k. I will lose roughly 10% on each watch when I sell so the total value will drop down to 58.5k. The 5712 is selling for 58K hence I will have some change coming back to me.

tyler1980 · 25 April 2018, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank

Fyi, I bought the AP for 25k and the PP for 40k - combined value of 65k. I will lose roughly 10% on each watch when I sell so the total value will drop down to 58.5k. The 5712 is selling for 58K hence I will have some change coming back to me.

58k seems high. Not following the 12 trends that much, but wow. That 11 is going to be hard to replace later. I wouldn't hesitate to flip the AP or pretty much any other watch i would just have a hard time doing it at 58k.

Hank · 25 April 2018, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tyler1980

58k seems high. Not following the 12 trends that much, but wow. That 11 is going to be hard to replace later. I wouldn't hesitate to flip the AP or pretty much any other watch i would just have a hard time doing it at 58k.

Everything sells for a super premium here in China. For one, there is only one Patek boutique in Shanghai and the wait list for a Nautilus is 10+ years. Both the 5711 and 5712 pops up once or twice a year so the grey dealers have crazy leverage.

guffyboy92 · 25 April 2018, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank

Everything sells for a super premium here in China. For one, there is only one Patek boutique in Shanghai and the wait list for a Nautilus is 10+ years. Both the 5711 and 5712 pops up once or twice a year so the grey dealers have crazy leverage.

I echo the above sentiments and concur that this is a bad trade if it is a straight swap. Even if the 5712 you're looking at is $58k, I'd be really gutted having to let go of both of those watches just to get it. I'd say that you're at a loss of $10k in terms of the market value difference at the very least.

If you're going for a grey dealer on the 5712 and don't mind a bit of travelling, it might be advantageous to go abroad and purchase the watch from a grey in the US or Singapore if the prices in China are that high/supply that low. That's what I would do personally for a watch of this calibre. I've seen them for sale online for below $52k in the States. Good luck

HL65 · 25 April 2018, 08:09 PM

Awful trade!

sya · 25 April 2018, 08:10 PM

definitely pass!

PJ S · 25 April 2018, 08:14 PM

Stick with what you have, you’re not missing out on anything by not having the 5712!

dmash · 25 April 2018, 08:42 PM

I think you need to just sell the AP Ti and ponder what you want for a bit.....as judging by your recent posts, this isn’t a watch you really love.

1William · 25 April 2018, 08:59 PM

I would not. The money is not right neither is the two for one.

ap1 · 25 April 2018, 09:12 PM

I like the 12 best but I’d find another way

Bearxj86 · 25 April 2018, 09:56 PM

Pass; 5711 too good :)

SC11 · 25 April 2018, 10:40 PM

Run away with one on each wrist!

Here you wouldn’t be far off a 5990a selling them.

Recently behind the 5990a the 5711a white has become my second favourite Nautilus.

Bello_nyc · 25 April 2018, 10:42 PM

🤔

codecow · 25 April 2018, 10:57 PM

No way.

Hank · 25 April 2018, 11:09 PM

Landslide vote against the trade. Thanks for talking some sense into me. Love this forum. Thanks guys.

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ezinhk · 25 April 2018, 11:12 PM

why? both of your watches are amazing.

tng11 · 25 April 2018, 11:12 PM

Not to pile on, but sounds like a very bad idea. I get the impression you're not really clicking with the 26400IO (especially given your other thread about trading for SkyD Blue).

sctp39 · 26 April 2018, 12:14 AM

I would do it with a bit of cash coming to me. I'll enjoy the 12 while I wait for a blue 11.

beshannon · 26 April 2018, 12:28 AM

Aside from the fact that I do not like the dial on the 5712, I would not trade 2 for 1 in this case

GB-man · 26 April 2018, 12:54 AM

Not only no but hell no!

Marciano490 · 26 April 2018, 04:58 AM

Make sure you put on some lipstick before making that trade.

SL BRABUS · 26 April 2018, 05:05 AM

You're kidding me......

My answer is this.....

AK797 · 26 April 2018, 11:26 AM

I would def say no prima facie, but then again if you love the 5712 more than the other two combined then I'd sell them, but hunt around for the best deal.

25 April 2018, 05:45 PM	#1
Hank "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Shanghai Posts: 1,623	2 for 1? White Nautilus 5711/1A + AP ROO 26400IO for a BNIB 5712/1A? Yay or nay? These two - For this - Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

25 April 2018, 05:50 PM	#2
tyler1980 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Houston Posts: 17,622	absolutely not, that is an awful trade (for you) __________________ Instagram: tyler.watches current collection: Patek 5164A, Patek 5524G, Rolex Platinum Daytona 116506, Rolex Sea Dweller 43 126600, Rolex GMT II 116710LN, AP 15400ST (silver), Panerai 913, Omega Speedmaster moonwatch, Tudor Black Bay (Harrods Edition)

25 April 2018, 08:09 PM	#12
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 63,384	Awful trade! __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

25 April 2018, 10:42 PM	#20
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26 April 2018, 12:28 AM	#26
beshannon "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Brian Location: Northern Virginia Watch: One of Not Many Posts: 17,895	Aside from the fact that I do not like the dial on the 5712, I would not trade 2 for 1 in this case __________________ Vacheron Constantin Traditionnelle Complete Calendar, Glashutte PanoInverse, Glashutte SeaQ Panorama Date, Omega Aqua Terra 150, Omega CK 859, Omega Speedmaster 3861 Moonwatch, Glashutte Senator Exellence, Rolex 116710 GMT Master II BLNR, Breitling Superocean Steelfish, JLC Atmos Transparent

25 April 2018, 06:21 PM	#6
Helmi "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: Doha Posts: 2,065	Agree with Tyler, both watches for the 5712 is an expensive trade for you. If it was me I would give the AP plus cash and get the 12. The white 11 is too good to go

25 April 2018, 08:10 PM	#13
sya "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Asia Posts: 186	definitely pass!

25 April 2018, 08:14 PM	#14
PJ S Banned Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: UK Posts: 3,990	Stick with what you have, you’re not missing out on anything by not having the 5712!

25 April 2018, 08:42 PM	#15
dmash "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: USA <> BKK Posts: 5,912	I think you need to just sell the AP Ti and ponder what you want for a bit.....as judging by your recent posts, this isn’t a watch you really love.

25 April 2018, 08:59 PM	#16
1William 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: North Carolina Watch: Rolex/Others Posts: 44,645	I would not. The money is not right neither is the two for one.

25 April 2018, 09:12 PM	#17
ap1 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: usa Posts: 19,031	I like the 12 best but I’d find another way

25 April 2018, 09:56 PM	#18
Bearxj86 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Los Angeles Watch: 3970 Posts: 3,799	Pass; 5711 too good :)

25 April 2018, 10:40 PM	#19
SC11 Banned Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: Sam Location: UK Watch: AP ☠️ Posts: 6,151	Run away with one on each wrist! Here you wouldn’t be far off a 5990a selling them. Recently behind the 5990a the 5711a white has become my second favourite Nautilus.

25 April 2018, 10:57 PM	#21
codecow "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Louis Location: Bay Area, CA Watch: PP 5131R Posts: 4,764	No way.

25 April 2018, 11:09 PM	#22
Hank "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Shanghai Posts: 1,623	Landslide vote against the trade. Thanks for talking some sense into me. Love this forum. Thanks guys. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

25 April 2018, 11:12 PM	#23
ezinhk "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: hk Posts: 691	why? both of your watches are amazing.

25 April 2018, 11:12 PM	#24
tng11 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: N/A Posts: 3,629	Not to pile on, but sounds like a very bad idea. I get the impression you're not really clicking with the 26400IO (especially given your other thread about trading for SkyD Blue).

26 April 2018, 12:14 AM	#25
sctp39 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Home Posts: 562	I would do it with a bit of cash coming to me. I'll enjoy the 12 while I wait for a blue 11.

26 April 2018, 12:54 AM	#27
GB-man 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: USA Watch: addiction issues Posts: 36,856	Not only no but hell no! __________________

26 April 2018, 04:58 AM	#28
Marciano490 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Boston Posts: 1,431	Make sure you put on some lipstick before making that trade.

26 April 2018, 05:05 AM	#29
SL BRABUS "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: U.S.A Watch: Only Rolex & Patek Posts: 3,339	You're kidding me...... My answer is this..... __________________ Rolex Forum: Mainly Rolex & Benz pictures...!!! Click the above link to join the club...^^^... "SL BRABUS" aka BenzWorld Undercover Moderator

26 April 2018, 11:26 AM	#30
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,216	I would def say no prima facie, but then again if you love the 5712 more than the other two combined then I'd sell them, but hunt around for the best deal.

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