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Old 17 January 2016, 02:41 AM   #1
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Need help on a rolex 4500

I was offered a Rolex 4500 but I am not sure if the dial has been retouched already (numbers on the sub dial at 3 o'clock looks darker) or if there are other red flags that I did not see. I am attaching the pictures for your perusal. I hope the community can help me decide whether to buy it or not. Thanks.

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Old 17 January 2016, 09:20 AM   #2
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Eww, run fast. Movements no good, dial fonts are off as well
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Old 17 January 2016, 10:29 AM   #3
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Eww, run fast. Movements no good, dial fonts are off as well
Many thanks. What seems to be wrong with the movement?
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Old 17 January 2016, 10:34 AM   #4
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Many thanks. What seems to be wrong with the movement?
The bridge is a shoddy knockoff that many fakers use to transform watches with very little value into "rolex's" with a lot value as the base movements are the same.
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Old 17 January 2016, 01:06 PM   #5
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The bridge is a shoddy knockoff that many fakers use to transform watches with very little value into "rolex's" with a lot value as the base movements are the same.
Okay thanks. Does the case look original?
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Old 17 January 2016, 01:14 PM   #6
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Old 18 January 2016, 02:25 AM   #7
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Looks fine to me. Movement is good, dial a bit distressed, but original.

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Old 18 January 2016, 08:43 AM   #8
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??? here too!

Looks genuine from where I'm sitting. Dial is an old reprint, case has corrosion, movement appears genuine but with usual wear.

A project, but do-able.

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Old 18 January 2016, 09:06 AM   #9
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It looks like a 4500 that's had a hard life...
The pictures are not good enough to be sure about the dial.... the hour and minute hands look somewhat suspect
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Old 18 January 2016, 02:19 PM   #10
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??? here too!

Looks genuine from where I'm sitting. Dial is an old reprint, case has corrosion, movement appears genuine but with usual wear.

A project, but do-able.

MW
I don't know Mike, but from where I am sitting dial looks factory. Rough, but factory.

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Old 18 January 2016, 04:12 PM   #11
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I finally saw the watch in person and managed to take some better pictures as shown below. I also had my watchmaker check it and he said the dial is still original. Btw the serial number is 497xxx. Thanks for all the help again.

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Old 18 January 2016, 04:15 PM   #12
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I don't know Mike, but from where I am sitting dial looks factory. Rough, but factory.

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Those are my feelings too... Better pictures would confirm.

Having just seen the new pictures.... I think the dial is original....

The serial number is in the correct range

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Old 18 January 2016, 11:52 PM   #13
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Yep, the fresh pictures are a big improvement, and I'll swim over to join the probably-original dial team! Unfortunately, the corrosion in the case is a lot worse than expected...

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Old 19 January 2016, 01:46 AM   #14
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Eww, run fast. Movements no good, dial fonts are off as well
You seem to call "fake" fairly often and many times are found to be incorrect. Perhaps some restraint is in order.
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Old 19 January 2016, 02:31 AM   #15
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As I said before, rough, but original. The good news is that, for the right price, it is a project that can be completed, I would think. Even a dial could possibly be had . . . .

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Old 19 January 2016, 04:11 AM   #16
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As I said before, rough, but original. The good news is that, for the right price, it is a project that can be completed, I would think. Even a dial could possibly be had . . . .

Michael
That is good to know that a used dial can still be found. Can someone like ABC Watchwerks clean the dial to make it more presentable?
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Old 19 January 2016, 02:27 PM   #17
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The original dial is 99% or more of the value of this watch. Trying to clean it would simply destroy this value IMHO.

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Old 19 January 2016, 05:38 PM   #18
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the hands seem to be relumed? the first pic you posted the hour hand's patina seem light and you can see the "X" in rolex through the minute hand. but the next batch of photos show both hands with black patina.
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Old 19 January 2016, 08:33 PM   #19
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the hands seem to be relumed? the first pic you posted the hour hand's patina seem light and you can see the "X" in rolex through the minute hand. but the next batch of photos show both hands with black patina.
Well spotted. Dial lume looks different too. No crystal crack in later pics, water damage to top right of dial, etc.

Aaaaaand different movement?
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Old 20 January 2016, 12:50 AM   #20
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Just saw these and that was my first thought: These are two different watches. What does the watch-seller have to say about that?
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Old 20 January 2016, 01:29 AM   #21
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Looks to be the same watch, but the better images appear to show some restoration has taken place...
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Old 22 January 2016, 10:16 PM   #22
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the hands seem to be relumed? the first pic you posted the hour hand's patina seem light and you can see the "X" in rolex through the minute hand. but the next batch of photos show both hands with black patina.
Thanks for the very sharp observation. I guess the seller relumed the hands before he sent them to me for inspection.
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