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harry in montreal · 8 June 2021, 09:48 AM

I would love to hear some feedback on this one. I want to think it’s legit, but I’m torn. The dial is redone. The insert looks good. The movement is the brass one which is incorrect.

The case, which is very unusual, is bugging me. Could this case be a fake? It’s just so clean. The caseback. I don’t like the stamping inside the back. But the mid case looks right but way to clean when face down and no back

Sorry if I’ve offended anyone on here

https://www.ebay.com/itm/16490261919...cc58%7Ciid%3A1

offrdmania · 8 June 2021, 09:57 AM

That case and case back look too good to me.

harry in montreal · 8 June 2021, 10:06 AM

I agree. But it is very convincing.

alwayshere · 8 June 2021, 10:08 AM

duplicate post.

alwayshere · 8 June 2021, 10:08 AM

A seller in Vietnam sells these cases on the 'bay from time to time.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Vintage-...p2047675.l2557

there you go. Mystery solved. Same fake case.

offrdmania · 8 June 2021, 10:09 AM

Yup, looked way too good.

1675-David · 8 June 2021, 05:03 PM

The case looks way too meaty and lacks the finesse of the genuine article, lugs are too heavy and the rehaut grabbs too much visual space round the dial.

214270Explorer · 9 June 2021, 03:39 AM

If I were you I would steer clear. Just too many questions there.

1675-David · 9 June 2021, 04:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alwayshere

a seller in vietnam sells these cases on the 'bay from time to time.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/vintage-...p2047675.l2557

there you go. Mystery solved. Same fake case.

x2

SN13 · 9 June 2021, 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1675-David

The case looks way too meaty and lacks the finesse of the genuine article, lugs are too heavy and the rehaut grabbs too much visual space round the dial.

This is EXACTLY my thought.

Always look at the Rehaut.

MrChamfers · 9 June 2021, 06:03 AM

Would the engravings be an obvious give away?

offrdmania · 9 June 2021, 06:44 AM

The guy sells engine parts. Probably took the watch in trade and got taken so no he is trying to unload it.

offrdmania · 9 June 2021, 09:10 AM

I called out the guy on eBay and told him to bring his so called 15 page expert report over to our conversation. I would love to see who this so called expert is. Linesiders should have a field day with this one.

harry in montreal · 9 June 2021, 09:55 AM

seller is just a scammer.

zapokee · 9 June 2021, 01:54 PM

The fakers are getting better and better. What do we do when the fakes become exactly the same as the originals?

I ain't buying vintage anymore except from trusted specialists whom I know are 100% legit. And even then I'm not totally sure...

Certainly not buying from Fleabay.

1665fan · 9 June 2021, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zapokee

The fakers are getting better and better. What do we do when the fakes become exactly the same as the originals?

I ain't buying vintage anymore except from trusted specialists whom I know are 100% legit. And even then I'm not totally sure...

Certainly not buying from Fleabay.

I’m not buying vintage anymore period.....what I have I will keep 1655,1675, 5513, 1680......the legit stuff is too expensive and too many fakes out there that will kill the value the of the real pieces eventually.....what a shame

linesiders · 9 June 2021, 11:21 PM

Guys - this is not remotely good. I know there are so few of these out there and they run the gamut from excellent (Michel& Adam) to beaten and ridden hard (mine) but the case is VERY similar to the PCGs. So the thickness of the Ebay case should be immediately suspect.

Please drop me a PM when you see one of these if you have any doubt

linesiders · 9 June 2021, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by offrdmania

Linesiders should have a field day with this one.

NOTHING was good. Who knew you could vomit in 409 Stainless Steel (the lowest grade)

1665fan · 10 June 2021, 01:52 AM

Some sucker is gonna stuck.....15 page authenticity report....what a joke and a shame

swaini3 · 10 June 2021, 03:00 AM

Shame.... well thanks for a place like here where people offer their time and knowledge to bust fakes and share their thoughts.

offrdmania · 10 June 2021, 10:42 AM

We all need to report this to ebay so that its taken down.

alwayshere · 10 June 2021, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by offrdmania

We all need to report this to ebay so that its taken down.

i've reported now.

Boopie · 6 July 2021, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harry in montreal

I would love to hear some feedback on this one. I want to think it’s legit, but I’m torn. The dial is redone. The insert looks good. The movement is the brass one which is incorrect.

The case, which is very unusual, is bugging me. Could this case be a fake? It’s just so clean. The caseback. I don’t like the stamping inside the back. But the mid case looks right but way to clean when face down and no back

Sorry if I’ve offended anyone on here

https://www.ebay.com/itm/16490261919...cc58%7Ciid%3A1

eBay says there were 12 bids and it’s “sold out.” Was it taken down?

8 June 2021, 09:48 AM	#1
harry in montreal "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Montreal Watch: The Habs pick 1st! Posts: 3,589	Tudor submariner on eBay - quite remarkable I would love to hear some feedback on this one. I want to think it’s legit, but I’m torn. The dial is redone. The insert looks good. The movement is the brass one which is incorrect. The case, which is very unusual, is bugging me. Could this case be a fake? It’s just so clean. The caseback. I don’t like the stamping inside the back. But the mid case looks right but way to clean when face down and no back Sorry if I’ve offended anyone on here https://www.ebay.com/itm/16490261919...cc58%7Ciid%3A1

8 June 2021, 09:57 AM	#2
offrdmania 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 X2 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Matt Location: Wine Country, Ca Posts: 5,859	That case and case back look too good to me. __________________ TRF Member 11738

8 June 2021, 10:09 AM	#6
offrdmania 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 X2 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Matt Location: Wine Country, Ca Posts: 5,859	Yup, looked way too good. __________________ TRF Member 11738

9 June 2021, 03:39 AM	#8
214270Explorer "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: United States Watch: me buy Watches Posts: 3,955	If I were you I would steer clear. Just too many questions there. __________________ “The display of actual intelligence terrifies much of mankind” Rolex "some" Tudor "some" Damasko "some" Misc Pieces "some" Marathon "some" GS Spring Drive "some" Hamilton "some" Findeisen "some"

9 June 2021, 06:44 AM	#12
offrdmania 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 X2 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Matt Location: Wine Country, Ca Posts: 5,859	The guy sells engine parts. Probably took the watch in trade and got taken so no he is trying to unload it. __________________ TRF Member 11738

8 June 2021, 10:06 AM	#3
harry in montreal "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Montreal Watch: The Habs pick 1st! Posts: 3,589	I agree. But it is very convincing.

8 June 2021, 10:08 AM	#4
alwayshere "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Australia Posts: 1,516	duplicate post.

8 June 2021, 05:03 PM	#7
1675-David "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Stockholm Posts: 6,020	The case looks way too meaty and lacks the finesse of the genuine article, lugs are too heavy and the rehaut grabbs too much visual space round the dial.

9 June 2021, 06:03 AM	#11
MrChamfers Banned Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: USA!! Watch: ing Warriors ball Posts: 710	Would the engravings be an obvious give away?

9 June 2021, 09:10 AM	#13
offrdmania 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 X2 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Matt Location: Wine Country, Ca Posts: 5,859	I called out the guy on eBay and told him to bring his so called 15 page expert report over to our conversation. I would love to see who this so called expert is. Linesiders should have a field day with this one. __________________ TRF Member 11738

9 June 2021, 09:55 AM	#14
harry in montreal "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Montreal Watch: The Habs pick 1st! Posts: 3,589	seller is just a scammer.

9 June 2021, 01:54 PM	#15
zapokee "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Japan Posts: 4,344	The fakers are getting better and better. What do we do when the fakes become exactly the same as the originals? I ain't buying vintage anymore except from trusted specialists whom I know are 100% legit. And even then I'm not totally sure... Certainly not buying from Fleabay.

9 June 2021, 11:21 PM	#17
linesiders 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: RedSox Nation Watch: U Talkn Bout Wilis Posts: 5,426	Guys - this is not remotely good. I know there are so few of these out there and they run the gamut from excellent (Michel& Adam) to beaten and ridden hard (mine) but the case is VERY similar to the PCGs. So the thickness of the Ebay case should be immediately suspect. Please drop me a PM when you see one of these if you have any doubt __________________ I'm a sailor peg. And I've lost my leg. Climbing up the top sails. I've lost my leg!

10 June 2021, 01:52 AM	#19
1665fan "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: East coast Posts: 6,596	Some sucker is gonna stuck.....15 page authenticity report....what a joke and a shame

10 June 2021, 03:00 AM	#20
swaini3 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Real Name: Mo Location: Dubai Watch: 1675 GMT, DRSD Posts: 1,433	Shame.... well thanks for a place like here where people offer their time and knowledge to bust fakes and share their thoughts.

10 June 2021, 10:42 AM	#21
offrdmania 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 X2 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Matt Location: Wine Country, Ca Posts: 5,859	We all need to report this to ebay so that its taken down. __________________ TRF Member 11738

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