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27 February 2020, 04:33 PM | #181 | |
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27 February 2020, 04:46 PM | #182 |
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Now what would the AD had done if you told them you were using the funds to pay for your kid’s cancer treatment? Or the mortgage because you just lost your job?
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27 February 2020, 04:50 PM | #183 | |
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27 February 2020, 05:40 PM | #184 |
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27 February 2020, 06:28 PM | #185 |
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I feel for you - your purchase history would suggest that you’re not the archetype flipper and if your honest intentions were to upgrade to the Daytona then it’s a crappy situation. In theory you own the watch and it should be yours to do as you please.
On the other hand we all want the shortage to stop and flippers contribute to the watches we want being unavailable. ADs don’t want to deal with flippers as it gives them a bad rep, and can leave them in a sticky situation with Rolex if found out. Listing a super hot model for sale in a new condition is flipper behaviour and the AD is within their rights to call you out. I’d be surprised if there was someone at Rolex HQ searching out new listings, most likely the AD or another frustrated customer waiting for a Pepsi that has come across the listing. It wouldn’t take an AD long to do this and it’s not difficult to search for BLRO on eBay and filter it to UK only and new condition. I’d suggest going grey for the Daytona. Your AD isn’t going to sell you one and starting at a new AD is going to take too much time. If you sell the Pepsi at market value then the uplift to acquire the Daytona won’t be too much. Hopefully you get the one you really want and you can chalk this down to experience & others can take away a lesson... |
27 February 2020, 06:36 PM | #186 |
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27 February 2020, 06:49 PM | #187 |
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I want to know what was OP intention when buying the Pepsi Initially and exactly how long he had it for? A lot of us are buying these hot models as part of the collection but if someone using their position/ status within the AD to get these model just because they want it for a short time and then sell it to earn extra money then this count as Flippers, I think! U can’t just blame Rolex for this situation because OP was funding it for Rolex Daytona. What if OP is funding it for 20k+ watches from other brand. The motive is the same.
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27 February 2020, 06:50 PM | #188 |
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I would sell every Rolex I owned on Ebay, and find another brand.
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27 February 2020, 06:53 PM | #189 |
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This is a true story. Very similar thing happened to my brother in December. He was given his warranty card back after 8 months, he put the watch online. A interested chap called, my brother told him where the watch originally came from.... 2 hrs later the AD calls and he is barred from buying any new Rolex from this network of ADs.
We suspect the chap that called either called the AD afterwards to check up, or it was actually Rolex that are phoning/emailing doing the fishing themselves? I’m also UK based. This was a 9 month old 116610ln. |
27 February 2020, 07:28 PM | #190 |
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Banned from my AD
If I’m not mistaken, the OP got the Pepsi 7 months ago after what was a very long wait and his AD having him on a rather exclusive list. Relationship landed him the piece.
It’s a free world and he can sell what he wants. A pissed off AD on the other hand is also free to spurn his business if it’s made them look terrible with other clients who may have complained and/or Rolex peeved at seeing the AD supplying who they think is a flipper. Cheers Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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27 February 2020, 07:32 PM | #191 |
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All of this is both really funny and completely ridiculous. I have a hard time believing it’s true. Rolex / AD’s scrolling the Internet to find flippers? Wow...
OP, did you really need to photograph and publicly display the serial number in your ad?
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27 February 2020, 07:35 PM | #192 |
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I imagine that would make it a moot point. If he had all that going on, he probably wouldnt need to be on the list to buy a new Daytona.
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27 February 2020, 08:03 PM | #193 |
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Make no mistake ADs watch the popular selling sites .
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27 February 2020, 08:13 PM | #194 | |
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First, it sucks to be banned from what I assume is the largest dealer network in UK. In some ways you have yourself to blame though, putting the serial number visible. And then lying about not being you selling it when confronted rather than coming clean immediately. Only this last part seems very shady to me and not someone I'd like to do business with. Since you hardly used the watch it seems you have maybe had this in your mind all the way, probably advertised as almost unused etc. To those saying it's your watch your business. They did not forbid him to sell it, just not buy anything more from them since they are protecting their business. Rules of the game and completely according to capitalism. I don't know what you would call the practice of forcing a business to sell him a good at a pre-determined price which is the opposite. To those not believing it. Why would he make up such an embarrassing story to start with? Secondly as others have pointed out, it's not hard work to check manually but also very easy to use web-scraping softare together with AI/OCR reading to get a list of serial numbers out for sale. When Rolex want to avoid ADs selling to flippers they do not need to check every single Rolex sold on Ebay but just a few spot checks here and there to spread the word, like this thread shows. |
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27 February 2020, 08:22 PM | #195 |
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I can sell anything that belongs to me. A seller (private, shop, chain) can decline to sell something to me. We are both within our rights. I evaluate potential clients and ask around. I don't have to work for anyone who wants to hire me. I don't have to sell my services to someone I don't want to. Maybe the AD was blunt. I can see how that would piss off someone. But at least they told it straight.
This is a nothing story. The ongoing result from something that has been so blown up is that other ADs might have latched onto this and added the OP to their banned list. ADs do talk to each other. And to the distributor and to Rolex and to people they know in the grey market, including some of their customers who buy from AD and grey, like me.. Someone who buys a Pepsi in a specific week or month isn't difficult to identify country wide. Customers also approach my AD from time to time to report or complain about flippers, mostly without the full story, but it happens. Or at least it does at my AD. My AD has a banned list. They try to be balanced about it but they feel the need to look after their local customers. They are not the "Rolex Police" as my AD puts it, but they have to protect their business in the long term. Banning flippers, or the criteria they use for classifying someone as a flipper will not be universally accepted, particularly by customers. But it's their business to run as they see fit. My AD hasn't been in business for over 100 years by some happy coincidence. |
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27 February 2020, 09:23 PM | #197 | |
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Well played. I know exactly the Brisbane AD you are talking about. They still have their other location on the Gold Coast. I recently cancelled the 3 watches I had on order with that same Brisbane AD who treated me with utter contempt. I've happily directed several other friends to a different AD interstate. Enjoy your Grand Seiko, looks magnificent |
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27 February 2020, 09:35 PM | #198 |
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OP can do what he wants with watch, I would have told the AD to stick it where the sun doesn’t shine. Find another AD,
I’m sure they will be happy to take your money. Only in times like this with a shortage of product could someone call and accuse you of flipping. OP, call the AD back, speak to the owner/manager and tell them that you have given the conversation some thought before calling them back. You listened to them, now listen to me. Tell them that you are a good customer, you own the piece and can do what you want with it. When you bought the watch they never asked you or asked you to sign something that you would not resell the watch. Then tell them they are fired as your AD, and you plan to tell all your friends your have referred to them the story not to buy from them. |
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I don't think you know whats's going on with some ADs outside of your area. Some ADs are under so much pressure to not get caught flipping while others don't give a single hoot and sell to grays all day long through various ways. My AD's manager (also a friend & mine and my wife) has someone look on eBay at watches being listed w/ in a 50 mile radius from his zip code (eBay search feature). His Rolex Regional Manager is tough on ADs selling to flippers. He also needs to do stupid stuff with the display windows, audit stuff like those space filler caps, etc... two years ago when we had a member here openly post / brag about wanting to flip a SS black Daytona & his profile listed his city, my AD actually created an account to PM that member to find out the serial / store bought from when inquiring about the watch. He wanted to know if the watch came from his store. |
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I am late to the discussion so many of my points have been mentioned. The watch belongs to the owner. He can do what he wants with it. The AD will be the AD and you can only control yourself and your response to the AD. Sell/Trade the watch and get the Daytona-C you want and move on. Nothing lost or gained. The market will turn and availability will be better at some point in the future. If you have the funds I have found many sellers will deal with you. Move on.
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It looks like all the watches you bought from this AD are ‘desirable sports models’. It’s amazing you managed to get all these from the AD. Nowadays they only care about how much you spend on ‘non-desirable models’ before they’re even willing to give you a desirable model. So you’re lucky you managed to get what you did. Of course it’s a ridiculous situation that won’t last forever, but for now the power lies with the AD, not us. When the tide turns, let’s not forget... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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27 February 2020, 10:20 PM | #202 |
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Initially I thought all these games are ridiculous but on reflection, the above is a great idea. I also think scouring the internet for flippers and then conspiring to ban them from new purchases with ADs is a good plan. There are only limited things Rolex can do to deal with their problem as they probably cannot easily meet demand. The problem they have is of course beneficial to them right now because they sell everything but the likely loss of goodwill in the longer term is very damaging and most of their prime models are so inaccessible to the general buyer that they may as well not exist.
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27 February 2020, 10:26 PM | #203 | |
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27 February 2020, 10:57 PM | #204 |
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the rolex police are coming for them, in green suits with green rayban shades. they will soon forget they were an ad when the neuralyzer flashes oddly reminiscent of the platona dial hue
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27 February 2020, 11:18 PM | #205 |
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27 February 2020, 11:20 PM | #206 |
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Sounds like a possible flipper war to me.....
The Op has been flipping watches but told by the AD not to, or dont let us find out. Another flipper saw the ebay ad and narced out the OP to the AD.....Something like this scenario is much more likely this BS.....this story is a cover up.... Let's call this the BANAID thread, the OP sure needs one, for his booboo.... Or the entire post is BS..... |
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27 February 2020, 11:23 PM | #208 |
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I mean this sucks, but the upside is that the AD has never been more irrelevant and useless, unless of course you want a date just or ladies model.
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27 February 2020, 11:25 PM | #209 |
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It's your property and you are free to do what you want with it. I very much doubt that you signed any paperwork agreeing not to sell the watch on e-bay.
So I am glad that you told the AD to take a walk, go find another dealer who sells different watches and spend your hard earned money elsewhere. Ridiculous that your AD believes that they can control what you do with your property.
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