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chuongnino · 5 November 2019, 01:27 AM

Hello,

Thanks for taking the time. I am looking to buy this Submariner from a private party near my location. The Seller agrees to meet at any AD in the area to authenticate the watch. However, I thought I would like to ask the experts here if anything looks off on this watch.

Please help!

1665fan · 5 November 2019, 02:30 AM

Meet at AD if they will....forget anything on here

Tools · 5 November 2019, 04:12 AM

I would say that it's not authentic.

If you use an AD, you want a watchmaker to look at it, not the sales staff that may not know a Rolex from a Timex.

edweather · 5 November 2019, 09:29 AM

+1

DVDA · 5 November 2019, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

I would say that it's not authentic.

If you use an AD, you want a watchmaker to look at it, not the sales staff that may not know a Rolex from a Timex.

Agreed I did this with a Breitling Watch over a year ago and everyone in store didn't know [expletive]

GLADIATOR · 5 November 2019, 10:59 AM

Suspicious/fake

superdog · 5 November 2019, 11:47 AM

What is suspicious about this watch?

I’m terrible at this. But looks real to me.

Robtayham · 5 November 2019, 11:52 AM

You have what so many people wish they have. You live in Dallas with a RSC. Ask the RSC to work up an estimate. They’ll tell you of its fake, or what needs to be replaced.

Then you’ll know how much to adjust the price. Or not buy at all.

Topspin14m · 5 November 2019, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by superdog

What is suspicious about this watch?

I’m terrible at this. But looks real to me.

I believe we are not supposed to get into all that, but one obvious tell is the fit of the bracelet to the lugs. It's not right. Few other things I see too -- it's not that good of a replica.

Additionally, every photo doesn't show the date wheel, which is also super suspicious.

Chewbacca · 5 November 2019, 02:18 PM

I can’t say if it’s fake or or not but they always offer to meet at an AD or police station. Then they cancel last min saying they’ve got someone else hoping you say it’s OK, I’ll take it right now! Because the price is sooo good you don’t want to miss on it. Likely stolen pics too. Ask them to show the buckle and backside.

The AD or police visit is bs.

crazymcmichael · 5 November 2019, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuongnino

Hello,

Thanks for taking the time. I am looking to buy this Submariner from a private party near my location. The Seller agrees to meet at any AD in the area to authenticate the watch. However, I thought I would like to ask the experts here if anything looks off on this watch.

Please help!

Imo it is genuine ..
Cheap price is clear run away flag.

WatchLurv · 5 November 2019, 08:36 PM

Check warranty card. Look up the shop, call them and ask them if the watch with 8 digit serial has been sold at the shop.

For a replica to exist they dont uniquely mark the serials and produce an independent warranty card. They'll replicate the 103XADS4 onto 1000 watches and 1000 warranty cards. Granted that it's one of those cases it wouldnt be the first time the shop gets such a call. That's one way...The shop will be able to look up the serial in a matter of minutes.

PRSWILL · 6 November 2019, 01:19 AM

Pictures suck. Hard to make a determination. as stated, if he'll meet you at an AD, have them open it up.

Liquid Snake · 6 November 2019, 09:41 AM

Looks good. But go to a Rolex Service center. Some ADs can open the watch on the spot. My local AD is currently servicing my 14000m Air King. They warranty it too.

EEpro · 6 November 2019, 11:08 AM

Why would he offer you a good deal and not just sell it on eBay or here? Red flag.

No date window pic is a red flag. I bet the fonts are wrong or poor centering.

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WatchesUnique · 6 November 2019, 11:59 AM

Definitely be careful with this one.

DoDe · 6 November 2019, 04:31 PM

I am not an expert and if you`re not either I suggest you go AD or TS.

Harry-57 · 7 November 2019, 06:26 AM

The date wheel is such an obvious quality check point. The seller seems to have made a point of not photographing it head on.

Lgear080 · 7 November 2019, 11:31 AM

Why are we trying to save a couple bucks when there are sellers who will consistently treat you properly and never misrepresent a watch? I’d be careful of meeting a rando w thousands of cash.

Jim_Bob_Jumpback · 7 November 2019, 12:39 PM

Also, the bezel is rotated, so you can't check for the alignment of the "pearl" at 12:00, which should be perfect, and is apparently difficult to fake.

Topspin14m · 7 November 2019, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim_Bob_Jumpback

Also, the bezel is rotated, so you can't check for the alignment of the "pearl" at 12:00, which should be perfect, and is apparently difficult to fake.

Bezel alignment is often off on the authentic watches. See, e.g., https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=516508

The rehaut here seems problematic though. It does not look aligned (even accounting for the angles).

SMD · 7 November 2019, 09:56 PM

Never understand why these drive by posts from people who just sign up, post about a suspicious watch and then disappear without a trace are taken seriously.

bayerische · 7 November 2019, 10:09 PM

Looks pretty good to me. Box obviously, but papers? The cushion isn't looking to fit the box though.

DVDA · 7 November 2019, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SMD

Never understand why these drive by posts from people who just sign up, post about a suspicious watch and then disappear without a trace are taken seriously.

OP is probably the watch seller posting to see if he can get caught

buckrogers0025 · 7 November 2019, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SMD

Never understand why these drive by posts from people who just sign up, post about a suspicious watch and then disappear without a trace are taken seriously.

This x 10.

PRSWILL · 8 November 2019, 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smd

never understand why these drive by posts from people who just sign up, post about a suspicious watch and then disappear without a trace are taken seriously.

this 10X10

CorradoBrit · 8 November 2019, 12:43 PM

I refuse to respond to these fishing posts from now on. Total waste of time.

beshannon · 8 November 2019, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SMD

Never understand why these drive by posts from people who just sign up, post about a suspicious watch and then disappear without a trace are taken seriously.

Agreed

chuongnino · 10 November 2019, 02:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DVDA

OP is probably the watch seller posting to see if he can get caught

I am not disappearing. I have a life a job and 2 young kids to take care so sorry for not replying promptly enough.
As a newbie who never owns a rolex I wanted to post the watch here in case there is any obvious red flag that YOU (so claimed experts) can spot out. That would save me time going back and forth with the Seller. I of course will meet him at AD if I decide to move forward with the purchase. However, I would also love to learn so thanks to those that shared your concern/opinion about the watch.

marnii · 12 November 2019, 12:29 PM

box is good

5 November 2019, 04:12 AM	#3
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,049	I would say that it's not authentic. If you use an AD, you want a watchmaker to look at it, not the sales staff that may not know a Rolex from a Timex. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

5 November 2019, 09:29 AM	#4
edweather "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Real Name: Ed Location: Georgia, USA Watch: Casio Illuminator Posts: 650	+1 __________________ An expert under pressure is a drip.

5 November 2019, 10:59 AM	#6
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	Suspicious/fake __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

5 November 2019, 11:47 AM	#7
superdog 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Real Name: Seth Location: nj Watch: Omega Posts: 24,697	What is suspicious about this watch? I’m terrible at this. But looks real to me. __________________ If happiness is a state of mind, why look anywhere else for it? IG: gsmotorclub IG: thesawcollection (Both mostly just car stuff)

6 November 2019, 11:08 AM	#15
EEpro 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Real Name: Brad Location: Purdue Watch: Daytona Posts: 9,084	Why would he offer you a good deal and not just sell it on eBay or here? Red flag. No date window pic is a red flag. I bet the fonts are wrong or poor centering. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ ♛ ✠ Ω 2FA Active

5 November 2019, 02:30 AM	#2
1665fan "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: East coast Posts: 6,591	Meet at AD if they will....forget anything on here

5 November 2019, 11:52 AM	#8
Robtayham "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: Texas Posts: 532	You have what so many people wish they have. You live in Dallas with a RSC. Ask the RSC to work up an estimate. They’ll tell you of its fake, or what needs to be replaced. Then you’ll know how much to adjust the price. Or not buy at all.

5 November 2019, 02:18 PM	#10
Chewbacca Banned Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: CJ Location: Kashyyyk Watch: Kessel Run Chrono Posts: 21,113	I can’t say if it’s fake or or not but they always offer to meet at an AD or police station. Then they cancel last min saying they’ve got someone else hoping you say it’s OK, I’ll take it right now! Because the price is sooo good you don’t want to miss on it. Likely stolen pics too. Ask them to show the buckle and backside. The AD or police visit is bs.

5 November 2019, 08:36 PM	#12
WatchLurv Banned Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Moon Watch: Swiss Posts: 2,270	Check warranty card. Look up the shop, call them and ask them if the watch with 8 digit serial has been sold at the shop. For a replica to exist they dont uniquely mark the serials and produce an independent warranty card. They'll replicate the 103XADS4 onto 1000 watches and 1000 warranty cards. Granted that it's one of those cases it wouldnt be the first time the shop gets such a call. That's one way...The shop will be able to look up the serial in a matter of minutes.

6 November 2019, 01:19 AM	#13
PRSWILL "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Minnesota Posts: 246	Pictures suck. Hard to make a determination. as stated, if he'll meet you at an AD, have them open it up.

6 November 2019, 09:41 AM	#14
Liquid Snake "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Real Name: Brandon Location: Florida Watch: Rolex Oysterquartz Posts: 73	Looks good. But go to a Rolex Service center. Some ADs can open the watch on the spot. My local AD is currently servicing my 14000m Air King. They warranty it too.

6 November 2019, 11:59 AM	#16
WatchesUnique "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: United States Posts: 4	Definitely be careful with this one.

6 November 2019, 04:31 PM	#17
DoDe "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Norway Posts: 627	I am not an expert and if you`re not either I suggest you go AD or TS.

7 November 2019, 06:26 AM	#18
Harry-57 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Real Name: Harry Location: England Posts: 9,678	The date wheel is such an obvious quality check point. The seller seems to have made a point of not photographing it head on.

7 November 2019, 11:31 AM	#19
Lgear080 Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: NYC Posts: 3,506	Why are we trying to save a couple bucks when there are sellers who will consistently treat you properly and never misrepresent a watch? I’d be careful of meeting a rando w thousands of cash.

7 November 2019, 12:39 PM	#20
Jim_Bob_Jumpback 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Real Name: Tom Location: Houston TX Watch: Sky Dweller SS/BLK Posts: 66	Also, the bezel is rotated, so you can't check for the alignment of the "pearl" at 12:00, which should be perfect, and is apparently difficult to fake.

7 November 2019, 09:56 PM	#22
SMD "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Real Name: SMD Location: LGA/EWR/ORD Watch: AP/PP Posts: 3,661	Never understand why these drive by posts from people who just sign up, post about a suspicious watch and then disappear without a trace are taken seriously.

7 November 2019, 10:09 PM	#23
bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	Looks pretty good to me. Box obviously, but papers? The cushion isn't looking to fit the box though. __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

8 November 2019, 12:43 PM	#27
CorradoBrit "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Europe bound Posts: 1,410	I refuse to respond to these fishing posts from now on. Total waste of time.

12 November 2019, 12:29 PM	#30
marnii "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Real Name: kevin Location: ny Posts: 235	box is good

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