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kilyung · 26 January 2013, 03:01 AM

All I know is, I'm holding off on any new APs until things settle down.

mb23 · 26 January 2013, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by kilyung

All I know is, I'm holding off on any new APs until things settle down.

Correct.

FremStar · 26 January 2013, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SubKing

This guy is just trying to start something with me for no reason.. You're also speaking to FremStar as well as he too has kept his in the plastic.

SubKing I am surprised you are even entertaining this dude

Take a deep breath and relax the on-line horology game is full of trolls... My timepiece post and unveils on TRF are just a fraction of my collection, there are Patek and Audemar references I own that I will never post online. If he paid for my RG44 then by all means he could dictate on how I store and collect my timepieces since he has no relevance to my collecting habits I can actually care less what he thinks. ;-) All in all don't even worry about the price decrease as there is nothing that can be done but vent and that's why I always believe in buying right!

mb23 · 26 January 2013, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by FremStar

SubKing I am surprised you are even entertaining this dude

Take a deep breath and relax the on-line horology game is full of trolls... My timepiece post and unveils on TRF are just a fraction of my collection, there are Patek and Audemar references I own that I will never post online. If he paid for my RG44 then by all means he could dictate on how I store and collect my timepieces since he has no relevance to my collecting habits I can actually care less what he thinks. ;-) All in all don't even worry about the price decrease as there is nothing that can be done but vent and that's why I always believe in buying right!

Well said!

ticketmaster123 · 26 January 2013, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by mb23

Well said!

I don't really think Ash has said anything to give him 'troll' status.

Winding someone up for leaving protective stickers on their watch is just a bit of banter.

Vipes · 26 January 2013, 03:16 AM

Maybe now I can afford this

psv · 26 January 2013, 03:23 AM

Yeah, I understand that emotions are flowing and I'd be upset if I just bought the piece myself as well, but c'est la vie. I'm sure a bunch of people bought $50K of Apple stocks betting they would have a blow-out quarter and instead they took an immediate 10% hit. Sh-t happens. In my view, you cannot use money that you really need to buy stupid things like watches, cars etc.

I thought Ash's comment was tongue in cheek, perhaps boarderline but hey, we always make fun at someone keeping the plastic on their watches around here. And keep in mind that there might be some cultural differences at play as this is an international community - it comes with the territory.

SK, if you bought your watch very recently, hopefully your AD or AP will do something for you.

AshAP · 26 January 2013, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ticketmaster123

I don't really think Ash has said anything to give him 'troll' status.

Winding someone up for leaving protective stickers on their watch is just a bit of banter.

Thank you!!! some of you guys are so highly strung its a joke!

FremStar · 26 January 2013, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by AshAP

Thank you!!! some of you guys are so highly strung its a joke!

I did get a laugh out of your comments, however, this is a serious matter for SubKing and other folks who are reading about this AP MSRP price decrease as I am sure he as well as others probably paid close to retail for their RG44's so this may not be the time for jokes, especially on the web where words can be misconstrued...

I have always advised folks who tread into AP, PP, and VC territory to try and negotiate the best price for the reference they are interested in because as you are aware buying a RGRC is a different feeling than buying a Datejust!

FYI - I used the word troll as toungue in cheek since you called me a muppet on post 119! I may be green but that was a low blow!

All in all the price decrease is what it is... Carry on folks I will just read for now...

Bulliondesk · 26 January 2013, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SubKing

I have just double confirmed this morning with 2 sources, one an AD owner and another solid source that AP is not, I repeat not charging a 10% premium to the AD's on gold models thus not changing their profit margin's..

I was told any AD that states that their profit margin has changed is just saying this to make more money on the watch due to the decrease by not discounting as much. This is all solid info.

So AD's can still give the same discounts as before the price drop.

SubKing.. This is not true. Dealer's discount on GOLD pieces will go from 43-47% to maximum 35% off MSRP. Also, MSRP's will be significantly dropping on GOLD pieces. AD's will receive a letter within the week or two from AP detailing this situation.

AshAP · 26 January 2013, 03:51 AM

No worries FremStar, the reality is that this affects all of us but we each deal with it in different ways. I only collected my rose gold rubber clad recently so I'm as eager to hear the facts as every other member here.

I must say that I wonder if this is more of a U.S situation than the UK as here we can't get anything like the discounts that are quoted on this site and there are only 7 shops in England that are now AP authorised dealers as 10 have recently had their accounts closed. There is clearly a proper strategy at play though and nothing official has yet been announced.

Dickson Lim · 26 January 2013, 04:01 AM

Still wondering why would AP do so?

Anyway, first time ever, people are more upset of a price decrease than a price increase.

B. Doggy · 26 January 2013, 04:01 AM

I really can't beleive this at all.

Fiddy · 26 January 2013, 04:20 AM

I'm about to get RG RC. Is it on sale too?
Unbelievable news for me.

kilyung · 26 January 2013, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Dickson Lim

Anyway, first time ever, people are more upset of a price decrease than a price increase.

tifosi · 26 January 2013, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Dickson Lim

Still wondering why would AP do so?

Anyway, first time ever, people are more upset of a price decrease than a price increase.

Just goes to show...you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. Can't make everyone happy

psv · 26 January 2013, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by AshAP

Thank you!!! some of you guys are so highly strung its a joke!

Ash, no need to push it and continue with the offending either...

SubKing · 26 January 2013, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by FremStar

SubKing I am surprised you are even entertaining this dude

Take a deep breath and relax the on-line horology game is full of trolls... My timepiece post and unveils on TRF are just a fraction of my collection, there are Patek and Audemar references I own that I will never post online. If he paid for my RG44 then by all means he could dictate on how I store and collect my timepieces since he has no relevance to my collecting habits I can actually care less what he thinks. ;-) All in all don't even worry about the price decrease as there is nothing that can be done but vent and that's why I always believe in buying right!

SubKing · 26 January 2013, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bulliondesk

SubKing.. This is not true. Dealer's discount on GOLD pieces will go from 43-47% to maximum 35% off MSRP. Also, MSRP's will be significantly dropping on GOLD pieces. AD's will receive a letter within the week or two from AP detailing this situation.

Too soon and too much miss information going around.

You are right, after having a meeting this morning in person with my AD they have said no one knows what the new margins will be but most likely they will be effected and they will get the numbers from AP soon.

Also was told the price decrease officially takes place march 1st

Joey_V · 26 January 2013, 05:53 AM

Nice... With the price reduction, the AP ROO is now closer to my grubby mitts. I hope this isn't a trend though.

TSW · 26 January 2013, 06:19 AM

AP was up to 1000+ points of sales and is throwing out many of the authorized dealers that's not selling that great, AP's idea is having less POS with more stock and the result for making it easy on those AD's is reducing the price on gold pieces enabling AD's to have more in stock.

As i said when Mr.Bennahmias took over the steering wheel on the boat.. Many things will happen and the more to the better part.

Less AD's , Lower production numbers = more pieces to the remaining AD's and clients

kilyung · 26 January 2013, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TSW

AP was up to 1000+ points of sales and is throwing out many of the authorized dealers that's not selling that great, AP's idea is having less POS with more stock and the result for making it easy on those AD's is reducing the price on gold pieces enabling AD's to have more in stock.

As i said when Mr.Bennahmias took over the steering wheel on the boat.. Many things will happen and the more to the better part.

Less AD's , Lower production numbers = more pieces to the remaining AD's and clients

One unfortunate corollary... fewer places to try on APs.

T.S.Eliot · 26 January 2013, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by AshAP

Dude, I hate to tell you this but FremStar is a muppet. He probably only told you to keep the plastic on to make you look like a muppet too.

Fremstar replied to you in a different manner which clearly shows what type of person he is.

I am surprised to see such levels of communication on here

SubKing · 26 January 2013, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by T.S.Eliot

Fremstar replied to you in a different manner which clearly shows what type of person he is.

I am surprised to see such levels of communication on here

+1 fremstar is a class act.

kilyung · 26 January 2013, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SubKing

+1 fremstar is a class act.

My buddy Sam is a prime example of a watch addict. He's irretrievably lost, down the rabbit hole, if you dare to follow.

TSW · 26 January 2013, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by kilyung

One unfortunate corollary... fewer places to try on APs.

Just let me know what references you want photos of

cdnyc · 26 January 2013, 07:09 AM

FYI, the NY boutique told me they've boosted up to 30k watch sales per year (up from 26k), and they made it sound like the goal is to increase further.

Soly20 · 26 January 2013, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TSW

Less AD's , Lower production numbers = more pieces to the remaining AD's and clients

I like this!

AshAP · 26 January 2013, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by T.S.Eliot

Fremstar replied to you in a different manner which clearly shows what type of person he is.

I am surprised to see such levels of communication on here

FremStars avatar is Kermitt the frog.....a muppet and commedy creation for the entertainment of children? My comment was certainly not a put down but a joke based around his avatar. As my English sense of humour is clearly upsetting some readers I will do more reading and less writing.

kilyung · 26 January 2013, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by AshAP

FremStars avatar is Kermitt the frog.....a muppet and commedy creation for the entertainment of children? My comment was certainly not a put down but a joke based around his avatar. As my English sense of humour is clearly upsetting some readers I will do more reading and less writing.

Well at least you're not blessed/cursed with a Canadian sense of humor like me.

26 January 2013, 04:01 AM	#132
Dickson Lim "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: planet Posts: 1,517	Still wondering why would AP do so? Anyway, first time ever, people are more upset of a price decrease than a price increase. __________________ Dream the impossible, and make it possible!

26 January 2013, 04:01 AM	#133
B. Doggy "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Bryan Location: Oregon Posts: 7,399	I really can't beleive this at all. __________________ Rolex / Panerai / Omega

26 January 2013, 04:20 AM	#134
Fiddy "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Asia Watch: PP AP PAM ROLEX Posts: 495	I'm about to get RG RC. Is it on sale too? Unbelievable news for me. __________________ *TRF AP OWNERS CLUB*

26 January 2013, 05:53 AM	#140
Joey_V "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Joey Location: Dallas, TX Watch: SS Sub 16610 M Posts: 3,824	Nice... With the price reduction, the AP ROO is now closer to my grubby mitts. I hope this isn't a trend though. __________________ Current Rotation: Rolex Submariner Date (M) - 1/08, Rolex Milgauss GV (V) - 2/10, Rolex SS Black Daytona (V) - 6/10, Rolex GMTIIC (G) - 5/11, TAG Heuer Silverstone (286/1860) - 1/2015 Former-watches: Omega PO/2535.80/2254, TAG Carrera/F1x2/Monaco, Panerai 312K/292L Wish List: Panerai 270/505, Rolex SMURF, Rolex RG Daytona, Rolex DSSD

26 January 2013, 06:19 AM	#141
TSW "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: TSW Location: Le Brassus Watch: Rolex & AP's Posts: 27,449	My thought on the subject.. AP was up to 1000+ points of sales and is throwing out many of the authorized dealers that's not selling that great, AP's idea is having less POS with more stock and the result for making it easy on those AD's is reducing the price on gold pieces enabling AD's to have more in stock. As i said when Mr.Bennahmias took over the steering wheel on the boat.. Many things will happen and the more to the better part. Less AD's , Lower production numbers = more pieces to the remaining AD's and clients __________________ AP Owners Club IG @swiss.watch.connection

26 January 2013, 03:01 AM	#121
kilyung 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,873	All I know is, I'm holding off on any new APs until things settle down.

26 January 2013, 03:16 AM	#126
Vipes "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 4,840	Maybe now I can afford this

26 January 2013, 03:23 AM	#127
psv "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: North America Posts: 11,063	Yeah, I understand that emotions are flowing and I'd be upset if I just bought the piece myself as well, but c'est la vie. I'm sure a bunch of people bought $50K of Apple stocks betting they would have a blow-out quarter and instead they took an immediate 10% hit. Sh-t happens. In my view, you cannot use money that you really need to buy stupid things like watches, cars etc. I thought Ash's comment was tongue in cheek, perhaps boarderline but hey, we always make fun at someone keeping the plastic on their watches around here. And keep in mind that there might be some cultural differences at play as this is an international community - it comes with the territory. SK, if you bought your watch very recently, hopefully your AD or AP will do something for you.

26 January 2013, 03:51 AM	#131
AshAP "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Real Name: Ash Location: UK Watch: AP Royal Oak Posts: 4,544	No worries FremStar, the reality is that this affects all of us but we each deal with it in different ways. I only collected my rose gold rubber clad recently so I'm as eager to hear the facts as every other member here. I must say that I wonder if this is more of a U.S situation than the UK as here we can't get anything like the discounts that are quoted on this site and there are only 7 shops in England that are now AP authorised dealers as 10 have recently had their accounts closed. There is clearly a proper strategy at play though and nothing official has yet been announced.

26 January 2013, 07:09 AM	#147
cdnyc "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: Cory Location: NY Posts: 681	FYI, the NY boutique told me they've boosted up to 30k watch sales per year (up from 26k), and they made it sound like the goal is to increase further.

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