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Old 31 December 2020, 12:35 PM   #31
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Their price hasn’t risen because their production has significantly.
Again, there’s plenty of brands over the past decade that have expanded prices and production numbers while offshoring at the same time. A tee on web shop right now is $38. It was like $32 back in 2010. $6 increase over 10 years is literally keeping up with inflation. That’s not factoring in increase in raw materials and labor costs.
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Not debating the use we get from phones, but an Android phone is better for half the price.
There are cheap garbage Android phones, but to get 90% of iPhone performance from a droid, you pay the same.

It costs so more to own a top of the line Android over time, since resale is negligible. An 18 month old android is pretty much worthless, unless it was one of the single digit % units top of the line models.

But Android RULES the third world, and first world extreme contrarians who NEED to control the font and color of the % marker of the battery indicator :)

I do agree, if you can afford to write the phone off fast, and are willing to put in a LOT of work, you can do most of what I listed.
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Wow, I have to disagree on iPhone, and to some extent, cellphone bill.

I get the top of the line iPhone once per year for something like $65/month on the Apple upgrade plan. At the end of twelve months, turn it in for one 50% to 75% faster.

So, for $2 per day...

1 - A device I use perhaps fifteen times per waking hour.
2 - A device that I could, in a pinch, do every bit of my work duties on.
3 - A device that can provide 100% of my music, TV, video, reading.
4 - An excellent advance replacement warranty even if I drop and break it.
5 - Performance that is usually superior to laptops of about one year before.
6 - Ability to cast via several technologies to a TV as a monitor, and ability to use a bluetooth keyboard and mouse for more productivity.
7 - A ton of productivity software, again enough to perform all of my work duties.
8 - A timekeeper that exhibits +/- 0.0000 accuracy.
9 - Games, etc., though this is not my thing.
10 - Instant access to every photo I have ever taken, every email sent/received, every file I maintain.
11 - Multiple forms of safe contactless payment.
12 - Full control of my entire home, all locks, security, thermostats, cameras.
13 - Ability to locate, lock, unlock, start my vehicles.
14 - Excellent photo and video editing.
15 - In congested urban areas, access to all public transportation contactlessly.
16 - Ability to securely access my police department's call activity, and substitute for in-car mobile data terminal if needed.
17 - Limitless scheduling and reminders, a historical calendar that goes back to the turn of the millennium and forward to infinity.
18 - Secure access to all of my financial institutions.
19 - Generally, the lowest failure rate per year of ANY device I touch.
20 - An amazing camera. Consistently takes better photos than any other device* in the hands of the near totality of photographers.
21 - I'm sure I'm forgetting things. Oh, like multiple amazing adaptive GPS services, find features for all my other devices, biometric and/or alphanumeric security against unauthorized access, instant translation services for most languages text or audio, etc.

Personally I marvel that this is available for such a pittance.

I see folks upgrading every three years to bring that down to $.95/day, not fully getting every ounce of productivity, waiting for actions to occur that occur on the latest hardware instantly, and wonder why on Earth they can't justify staying up to date so inexpensively.

The median USA wage is $19.33 per hour. Who would not work 50 minutes a day for this???

For just the price of a cup of coffee...

https://youtu.be/MEb_epsuLqA

*If judged by the photos, consistently the best, though if judged by a spreadsheet of specifications, sometimes only top three.

Consider in 1960 USA, you were renting a rotary phone for $1.00/month ($8.88 per month in 2020 CPI dollars) and it could call local people free, folks outside your immediate area for VERY high prices (LA to Boston, $2 ($17.76 in 2020 $) for three minutes.

That's it, it could do nothing else.

Everything in this ad from 1991 can be done with a six year old iPhone.

Great points, Was going to also disagree on iphone

The vast functionality enables one to get rid of dozens of devices and often with a high level of quality, reliability and accuracy.

Wish it were cheaper but ...

As an example, stereo equipment in general have benefitted greatly as technology has evolved ... it has typically resulted in much more for less.


However, the built in obsolescence factor (battery life / brittle constriction of screen and drastically reduced performance of previous generation that plagues iPhone users really can skew the value proposition of the iPhone.
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Old 31 December 2020, 11:24 PM   #45
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When my wife died over 20 years ago, I bought a granite headstone, I could afford it and have no regrets, but it got me thinking, what about all the millions of people that would want to buy one and couldn't afford it. It is a piece of polished granite with some engraving and they cost a fortune. In my eyes, they were making money from misery, very little work to produce.

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Old 31 December 2020, 11:30 PM   #47
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Old 31 December 2020, 11:37 PM   #48
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LV is pretty fair for what it is. I got a wallet for a tad over $400.

Their bags and luggage is something else though. I'm not buying those and I'm not buying for any ladies.
I fully disagree on LV being overpriced. My briefcases from them look like new. Epi leather wears really well.
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You have one of the best sense of humor I’ve ever seen on this forum.

I own both types of devices so I know you were only joking.
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I fully disagree on LV being overpriced. My briefcases from them look like new. Epi leather wears really well.
I don’t know man. LV it’s not even close to the best quality in the luxury market. Check out Berluti. Leagues better. Actually even Gucci products are of a higher quality if you compare them. And of course Hermes. Anyway I had compared the four brands quite extensively. Berluti is the best. Then Hermes, Gucci and lastly LV.
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Old 1 January 2021, 12:08 AM   #54
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I don’t know man. LV it’s not even close to the best quality in the luxury market. Check out Berluti. Leagues better. Actually even Gucci products are of a higher quality if you compare them. And of course Hermes. Anyway I had compared the four brands quite extensively. Berluti is the best. Then Hermes, Gucci and lastly LV.
That’s a different style and aesthetic. LV is more a French polished look, Berluti is more Italian GQ and I strongly, strongly dislike that. Hermes isn’t comparable because it’s 2-3x the price, but yes I would definitely pick them over LV if cost was the same. One could also say something like Saddleback is ‘superior quality’ but I don’t like carrying around a 5lb cowboy bag


Ive owned lots of designer bags over the years, you have to handpick the models with LV, stitching is a bit wonky on some, but my opinion still remains that Epi wears fantastic. Now my Goyard Ambassade was so stupidly overpriced, man I hated that thing honestly.


This is my go to briefcase right now from LV. Amazing quality and it has magnetic closure flaps on the outside which is my favorite on a briefcase I’ve owned yet: https://us.louisvuitton.com/eng-us/p...-nvprod440071v


I also own the Oliver model, which also is really good quality. I’m actually thinking about selling it though as I’m not using two briefcases anymore. https://us.louisvuitton.com/eng-us/p...nvprod1000289v
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everything is inflationary other than bitcoin and tvs. it is all relative.

the baseball card situation is 100x more inflated than any other "asset". but who knows it can get 1000x with the right buyer base.
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That’s a different style and aesthetic. LV is more a French polished look, Berluti is more Italian GQ and I strongly, strongly dislike that. Hermes isn’t comparable because it’s 2-3x the price, but yes I would definitely pick them over LV if cost was the same. One could also say something like Saddleback is ‘superior quality’ but I don’t like carrying around a 5lb cowboy bag


Ive owned lots of designer bags over the years, you have to handpick the models with LV, stitching is a bit wonky on some, but my opinion still remains that Epi wears fantastic. Now my Goyard Ambassade was so stupidly overpriced, man I hated that thing honestly.


This is my go to briefcase right now from LV. Amazing quality and it has magnetic closure flaps on the outside which is my favorite on a briefcase I’ve owned yet: https://us.louisvuitton.com/eng-us/p...-nvprod440071v


I also own the Oliver model, which also is really good quality. I’m actually thinking about selling it though as I’m not using two briefcases anymore. https://us.louisvuitton.com/eng-us/p...nvprod1000289v
I apologize my friend. I was talking about quality not looks. I should have been more specific. My bad.
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That’s a different style and aesthetic. LV is more a French polished look, Berluti is more Italian GQ and I strongly, strongly dislike that. Hermes isn’t comparable because it’s 2-3x the price, but yes I would definitely pick them over LV if cost was the same. One could also say something like Saddleback is ‘superior quality’ but I don’t like carrying around a 5lb cowboy bag


Ive owned lots of designer bags over the years, you have to handpick the models with LV, stitching is a bit wonky on some, but my opinion still remains that Epi wears fantastic. Now my Goyard Ambassade was so stupidly overpriced, man I hated that thing honestly.


This is my go to briefcase right now from LV. Amazing quality and it has magnetic closure flaps on the outside which is my favorite on a briefcase I’ve owned yet: https://us.louisvuitton.com/eng-us/p...-nvprod440071v


I also own the Oliver model, which also is really good quality. I’m actually thinking about selling it though as I’m not using two briefcases anymore. https://us.louisvuitton.com/eng-us/p...nvprod1000289v
I rest my case. I was the one who put this on my list and those are STUPIDLY over priced.
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I rest my case. I was the one who put this on my list and those are STUPIDLY over priced.
What may be ‘stupid’ to you is reasonable to others. I use a bag almost daily, and if it lasts 10+ years my cost of ownership isn’t that crazy. Not to mention, it’s still worth hundreds at that point as well.

But to each his own
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What may be ‘stupid’ to you is reasonable to others. I use a bag almost daily, and if it lasts 10+ years my cost of ownership isn’t that crazy. Not to mention, it’s still worth hundreds at that point as well.

But to each his own
I as well use a bag daily. I have had my Tumi bags for those same amounts of time at about 1/8th the cost. Yes I guess too each his own.
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