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Old 16 January 2021, 02:24 AM   #1
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Overpaying for IWCs to get a GMT??

So I like to collect chronographs and thereís an AD not too far from me that has a nice selection of IWCs. Was thinking I could ask them if I buy a Portugieser chrono and a little prince (for a total of $3k higher than Iíd have spent for them online), would that bump my chances of getting a SS GMT. Does this sound reasonable? Buying much more of their list priced merch would start to feel like a zero sum game (ie I can pay $6000 over msrp and get a Batman gray).
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Old 16 January 2021, 02:27 AM   #2
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Never hurts to ask. Perhaps be more overt about it and rather than ask say that you would buy these two for the SS GMT at MSRP.
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Old 16 January 2021, 02:31 AM   #3
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I would not do that.

If you don't 100% love those IWC references, you will have a difficult time moving on from them.
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Old 16 January 2021, 02:35 AM   #4
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If you want the IWCís then yes, do it. If not, obviously donít.

Itís always tempting to go grey when itís cheaper, but there are a lot on here that complain they canít get the high demand watches from their AD, and about the scandalous prices charged by grey dealers, only to run off to a grey for a watch when itís cheaper!

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Old 16 January 2021, 02:43 AM   #5
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If you want the IWCís then yes, do it. If not, obviously donít.

Itís always tempting to go grey when itís cheaper, but there are a lot on here that complain they canít get the high demand watches from their AD, and about the scandalous prices charged by grey dealers, only to run off to a grey for a watch when itís cheaper!

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Thanks, yes definitely want those two IWCs so wouldnít regret the purchase. Honestly Iíd be a little more concerned that it wouldnít open the door to the GMT so Iíll be explicit that Iíd only want them if it would get me a GMT.
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Old 16 January 2021, 02:53 AM   #6
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Never hurts to ask. Perhaps be more overt about it and rather than ask say that you would buy these two for the SS GMT at MSRP.
I agree...maybe they go in the vault and offer you the GMT at the same time! Good luck.
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Old 16 January 2021, 02:55 AM   #7
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Iíd def take the chance and nicely tell the AD what you are seeking. Iíd imagine the AD would be receptive. Itíll all come down to how hot those IWC models are at that particular store. If theyíve been there for a bit you might have a chance.


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Old 16 January 2021, 02:56 AM   #8
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isn't something I would be interested in doing

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Old 16 January 2021, 03:00 AM   #9
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You’d be doing that without any assurance that it would actually bump your chances though. Buy the watches you want at the best possible price you can in isolation is my advice. Then either make compromises to your budget and/or wish list
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Old 16 January 2021, 03:09 AM   #10
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I would try it - but it would have to be an 'all or none' deal.

I wouldn't buy the IWC's on a promise to get the GMT, I would let the AD know that I'd only buy all three at the same time - no GMT, no IWC's.
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Old 16 January 2021, 03:12 AM   #11
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I would try it - but it would have to be an 'all or none' deal.

I wouldn't buy the IWC's on a promise to get the GMT, I would let the AD know that I'd only buy all three at the same time - no GMT, no IWC's.

Yep - like that

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Old 16 January 2021, 03:13 AM   #12
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I would try it - but it would have to be an 'all or none' deal.

I wouldn't buy the IWC's on a promise to get the GMT, I would let the AD know that I'd only buy all three at the same time - no GMT, no IWC's.
Agree with this approach. Put their feet to the fire
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Old 16 January 2021, 03:14 AM   #13
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I would not do that.

If you don't 100% love those IWC references, you will have a difficult time moving on from them.
Exactly. Makes no sense at all.
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Old 16 January 2021, 03:15 AM   #14
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More money than sense and only encourages the nonsense.
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Old 16 January 2021, 03:18 AM   #15
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Yep - like that

Which LPP are you after ?
Sounds like a plan ó I like the blue dial steel bracelet model ó 377717
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Old 16 January 2021, 03:27 AM   #16
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Thanks, yes definitely want those two IWCs so wouldnít regret the purchase. Honestly Iíd be a little more concerned that it wouldnít open the door to the GMT so Iíll be explicit that Iíd only want them if it would get me a GMT.

Makes sense and itís not an unreasonable condition. The AD may well say they have an existing list and it would be improper of them to allow you to jump a queue, and as such they will likely state a two year (estimated) wait. And not sure that would be unreasonable of them.

If you do get given a long wait time, bear in mind it could be even longer. Equally, i was given a two year wait time on a Nautilus and it arrived in less than half of that, as people do drop off lists.


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Old 16 January 2021, 03:30 AM   #17
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Old 16 January 2021, 03:33 AM   #18
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Is this a chain or independent AD?

If it's a chain, I highly doubt the (2) IWC @ retail will even remotely accomplish what you would like it to in terms of acquiring the GMT. Way too many heavy spenders ahead of you.

If it's a small independent, then you might have a shot.
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Old 16 January 2021, 03:51 AM   #19
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I would not do that.

If you don't 100% love those IWC references, you will have a difficult time moving on from them.
+1.

They will say. Buying will help your chances but no guarantee.
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Old 16 January 2021, 04:04 AM   #20
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I wouldnít buy watches that I didnít want in hopes of getting what I actually want.

However, seeing as you actually want the 2 IWCs, I suppose it wouldnít hurt except that you would be paying retail for them. I would at least try to ask for a discount.
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Old 16 January 2021, 04:08 AM   #21
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So I like to collect chronographs and thereís an AD not too far from me that has a nice selection of IWCs. Was thinking I could ask them if I buy a Portugieser chrono and a little prince (for a total of $3k higher than Iíd have spent for them online), would that bump my chances of getting a SS GMT. Does this sound reasonable? Buying much more of their list priced merch would start to feel like a zero sum game (ie I can pay $6000 over msrp and get a Batman gray).
To me, definitely not.
I think itís quite naÔve to believe that they will give you a higher priority on a SS model.
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Old 16 January 2021, 04:09 AM   #22
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Don't dance to that music.
X2. Why go down this road of games and compromising integrity for a watch?
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Old 16 January 2021, 04:12 AM   #23
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So I like to collect chronographs and thereís an AD not too far from me that has a nice selection of IWCs. Was thinking I could ask them if I buy a Portugieser chrono and a little prince (for a total of $3k higher than Iíd have spent for them online), would that bump my chances of getting a SS GMT. Does this sound reasonable? Buying much more of their list priced merch would start to feel like a zero sum game (ie I can pay $6000 over msrp and get a Batman gray).
Are you saying that you would pay RRP at the AD? I'm not sure that, that would take you up any waiting list.
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Sounds like a plan ó I like the blue dial steel bracelet model ó 377717

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So I like to collect chronographs and thereís an AD not too far from me that has a nice selection of IWCs. Was thinking I could ask them if I buy a Portugieser chrono and a little prince (for a total of $3k higher than Iíd have spent for them online), would that bump my chances of getting a SS GMT. Does this sound reasonable? Buying much more of their list priced merch would start to feel like a zero sum game (ie I can pay $6000 over msrp and get a Batman gray).
Yup, worked for me. I went into a big AD in west London (that iíd never visited before) and bought my wife a SS JLC reverso and myself an Omega moonwatch. Obviously paid full price for those rather than 15%ish off that Iíd researched online but I walked out them and a ceramic Pepsi (and big smile!).
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So I like to collect chronographs and thereís an AD not too far from me that has a nice selection of IWCs. Was thinking I could ask them if I buy a Portugieser chrono and a little prince (for a total of $3k higher than Iíd have spent for them online), would that bump my chances of getting a SS GMT. Does this sound reasonable? Buying much more of their list priced merch would start to feel like a zero sum game (ie I can pay $6000 over msrp and get a Batman gray).
Probably wonít work as Portugieser chrono and a little prince arenít hard to sell.....maybe if the watches were difficult sellers youíd have more chance.....certainly no harm in asking but i wouldnít take the other twp on a vague promise....collect all together or nothing...good luck
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Unless you're going to keep the IWC for a long time, I wouldn't. They take a bath on resale. Nothing wrong with the watches as they are quite nice.
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Old 16 January 2021, 02:56 PM   #28
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Propose a bundle and don't deviate from it. See what he says. I'm pretty sure it will be "no". Don't bank on promises. I've been waiting on a promise for 3+ years with nothing manifesting and my purchase history has been gold Pateks, not steel IWCs. No more promises for me.
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Old 16 January 2021, 03:49 PM   #29
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In my op you are not "Over Paying " if you want those pieces in ur collection. You are in fact helping the AD keep their doors open. If we all go get our other watches at grey to get a g or two off then also ask our AD to give us a difficult to obtain piece... this does not really work does it. You want the best of all worlds.
Personaly, I get good discounts on other brands that I buy from my AD, that is a meet in the middle price and they help me get those sought after pieces that I also want. I never buy what I do not want and I have never bundled. I have my ongoing "want" list and I find watches I must have (that are other brand) sprinkled in throughout the year at good discount. Win win.
If you want grey savings on your other pieces, then yes you should overpay when buying Rolex SS from Grey... as Grey is eating those harder to move pieces in order to get the High Demand pieces where they can recover from selling the other stuff at massive discount...


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