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Old 2 December 2018, 05:44 AM   #1
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For those of you that have this watch, can I ask you how long it took you to acquire it once you had approached the AD? I know for 5711s and 5167s, the wait is obscene and measured in years without an AD relationship. I'm curious about the 5164. I imagine it should be easier, but these are not normal times it seems.

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Old 2 December 2018, 06:19 AM   #2
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Afternoon All,

For those of you that have this watch, can I ask you how long it took you to acquire it once you had approached the AD? I know for 5711s and 5167s, the wait is obscene and measured in years without an AD relationship. I'm curious about the 5164. I imagine it should be easier, but these are not normal times it seems.

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It's similar to 5167A

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Old 2 December 2018, 06:48 AM   #3
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It's similar to 5167A

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Maybe in UK but must be easier in the USA still, maybe 6-12 months.
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Old 2 December 2018, 06:55 AM   #4
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It's similar to 5167A

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In some ways, that's very surprising. The 5167A is $20k and the 5164A, $36k. One would think the price differential would mean the former is much more difficult to get as more can get into PP, and the latter somewhat easier with fewer buyers. Remarkable to think that many are waiting to spend $36k on a 5164A, when one could buy a 5167A plus a 116500LN Daytona (plus a little change) or a Skydweller (with zero change). Reveals something about the current SS craze that has gripped so many.

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Old 2 December 2018, 07:05 AM   #5
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Maybe in UK but must be easier in the USA still, maybe 6-12 months.
Hi Neil,

Thanks. That's what I would think. 6-12 months at most. Perhaps 18 months at a push. After all, I would imagine the percentage of buyers spending nearly $40K on a watch is a damn site fewer than those spending nearly $20k--and I acknowledge that both sums are staggering and well beyond most, and every watch buyer I know bar a very select few. The few serious collectors I know have an upper ceiling of sub $20k.

Also, I note your comments re security, clasp, etc. Appreciated.

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Old 2 December 2018, 07:23 AM   #6
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Hi Neil,

Thanks. That's what I would think. 6-12 months at most. Perhaps 18 months at a push. After all, I would imagine the percentage of buyers spending nearly $40K on a watch is a damn site fewer than those spending nearly $20k--and I acknowledge that both sums are staggering and well beyond most, and every watch buyer I know bar a very select few. The few serious collectors I know have an upper ceiling of sub $20k.

Also, I note your comments re security, clasp, etc. Appreciated.

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Not sure how much price has to do with desirability. There are people who pay far more than MSRP for the 5167. I’m currently waiting on a 5711, not because I can’t imagine spending more than $30,000 on a watch (an arguably absurd amount of money), but on account of me finding it more desirable than the other Nautilus references. Many pay double over MSRP for the 5711. I purchased my 5167 from my AD at MSRP. Had it been the same price as the 5164, I still would have purchased the 5167.
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Old 2 December 2018, 07:41 AM   #7
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Not sure how much price has to do with desirability. There are people who pay far more than MSRP for the 5167. I’m currently waiting on a 5711, not because I can’t imagine spending more than $30,000 on a watch (an arguably absurd amount of money), but on account of me finding it more desirable than the other Nautilus references. Many pay double over MSRP for the 5711. I purchased my 5167 from my AD at MSRP. Had it been the same price as the 5164, I still would have purchased the 5167.
Hi SMB,

I appreciate your thoughts, and think you make a good point on price. Yes, I confess to the shock on seeing some pay over MSRP for the 5167 and nearly double for the 5711.

How long did it take you to get your 5167? Its a gorgeous piece.
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Old 2 December 2018, 07:52 AM   #8
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I was told 2019.

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Old 2 December 2018, 07:55 AM   #9
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In some ways, that's very surprising. The 5167A is $20k and the 5164A, $36k. One would think the price differential would mean the former is much more difficult to get as more can get into PP, and the latter somewhat easier with fewer buyers. Remarkable to think that many are waiting to spend $36k on a 5164A, when one could buy a 5167A plus a 116500LN Daytona (plus a little change) or a Skydweller (with zero change). Reveals something about the current SS craze that has gripped so many.

Curious.
Yes you are right. But you need to consider 5164A has the chrono function (high demand) and the movement is more complicated than 5167 (less supply). When I first collect patek, the AD told me to go with 5167 first and it will be much quicker. I walked in to one AD with no purchase history (but contacted the guy for few months already), he offered me a 5167/1A immediately.
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Old 2 December 2018, 08:01 AM   #10
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Hi SMB,

I appreciate your thoughts, and think you make a good point on price. Yes, I confess to the shock on seeing some pay over MSRP for the 5167 and nearly double for the 5711.

How long did it take you to get your 5167? Its a gorgeous piece.
It took well less than a year. Having an established relationship with an AD helps, especially when they know you are a genuine fan of the brand. I have a Rolex AD and a Patek AD. With both, I was clear from the beginning that I had no interest in securing watches from other ADs. Many people work with several ADs to shorten wait times. Nothing wrong with that, but I'm loyal and can be patient, so my setup works well for me.
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Old 2 December 2018, 08:03 AM   #11
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Yes you are right. But you need to consider 5164A has the chrono function (high demand) and the movement is more complicated than 5167 (less supply). When I first collect patek, the AD told me to go with 5167 first and it will be much quicker. I walked in to one AD with no purchase history (but contacted the guy for few months already), he offered me a 5167/1A immediately.
Good lord! How long ago was this? I like the 5167 very much, and would take one instead of a 5164, as I already have a GMT (but am not opposed to two dual time watches). That being said, I struggle with the idea of owning more than watch, although am coming around to the idea providing they are tool watches. The 5167 and 5164 certainly are, albeit very high end PP tool watches!
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Old 2 December 2018, 08:09 AM   #12
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Good lord! How long ago was this? I like the 5167 very much, and would take one instead of a 5164, as I already have a GMT (but am not opposed to two dual time watches). That being said, I struggle with the idea of owning more than watch, although am coming around to the idea providing they are tool watches. The 5167 and 5164 certainly are, albeit very high end PP tool watches!
That happened to me in Oct 2017. But 2018 is more difficult. I waited about 1 year to get 5164A
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Old 2 December 2018, 08:52 AM   #13
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Afternoon All,



For those of you that have this watch, can I ask you how long it took you to acquire it once you had approached the AD? I know for 5711s and 5167s, the wait is obscene and measured in years without an AD relationship. I'm curious about the 5164. I imagine it should be easier, but these are not normal times it seems.



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I ordered one this summer in the U.K. I was told early 2019.
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Old 2 December 2018, 10:04 AM   #14
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@s.m.b you are 100% correct. I was told by my Patek and Rolex AD that Patek corporate highly prefers someone who has purchased all their Patek pieces from the same AD and not multiple AD's throughout the country. I was told this is the major deciding factor for Patek on application pieces and highly sought after models. I believe it because my local AD got me a 5167a, 5711/1a-011, and daytona all within a 1 year time frame.
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Old 2 December 2018, 11:01 AM   #15
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Yes you are right. But you need to consider 5164A has the chrono function (high demand) and the movement is more complicated than 5167 (less supply). When I first collect patek, the AD told me to go with 5167 first and it will be much quicker. I walked in to one AD with no purchase history (but contacted the guy for few months already), he offered me a 5167/1A immediately.
The 5164A has a dual time function, the 5968A has the chrono, but you are right the 5164a is harder to get.
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Old 2 December 2018, 11:44 AM   #16
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@s.m.b you are 100% correct. I was told by my Patek and Rolex AD that Patek corporate highly prefers someone who has purchased all their Patek pieces from the same AD and not multiple AD's throughout the country. I was told this is the major deciding factor for Patek on application pieces and highly sought after models. I believe it because my local AD got me a 5167a, 5711/1a-011, and daytona all within a 1 year time frame.
As a one watch guy, I have no AD relationship. Still, seems that might be the way to go.
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Old 2 December 2018, 11:49 AM   #17
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The 5164A has a dual time function, the 5968A has the chrono, but you are right the 5164a is harder to get.
Hi Jonny,

That's interesting. If the 5167A has a 1-2 year waiting list, and the 5164 is harder to get, seems as if great patience will be the order of the day. That's handy
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It was 8 months for me after Baselworld 2012. I was smitten by the attractive complication of this timepiece since I travel frequently to different time zone. At that time, it was not a popular watch, more so from an Aquanaut line. How time has changed.


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Old 5 December 2018, 06:00 AM   #20
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Called an AD today about this particular piece. They told me 2-3 months
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Called an AD today about this particular piece. They told me 2-3 months
Really?! which ADs?
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What’s the list price there?


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Didn’t ask but I would assume msrp
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Old 9 December 2018, 05:54 AM   #25
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I visit an AD in Florida one year ago, and I could get a 5164 the next day. I didn't use the offer. Then I visit the same dealer in August, but then they didn't sell if you didn't already was a customer, this happened only 8 month later. So I visit my AD in Nordic instead and had to wait 1 week, but then I have a track record since before.
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I ordered one this summer in the U.K. I was told early 2019.
i was told the same as well here in Canada, early 2019 for the 5167
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i was told the same as well here in Canada, early 2019 for the 5167
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