First PP watch advice

[rollierolls]

Hi,

I am a lady and interested in buying my first PP. I'm interested in two models, either the 5212A or 7200R. I was told the 5212A has a 6 year waitlist and when I asked how to get on it, the sales associate said it's impossible and to forget it. The 7200R is available to be purchased anytime.

My question is whether I should try to visit other AD and wait for the 5212A or just buy the 7200R and hope it increases my chances? Ideally I only want to buy one watch. I also saw the 7200R is selling for below retail in the grey market so if I wanted that should I just buy it elsewhere?

Would love your thoughts on this.

Thanks a lot

[lexterj]

Originally Posted by rollierolls

Hi,

I am a lady and interested in buying my first PP. I'm interested in two models, either the 5212A or 7200R. I was told the 5212A has a 6 year waitlist and when I asked how to get on it, the sales associate said it's impossible and to forget it. The 7200R is available to be purchased anytime.

My question is whether I should try to visit other AD and wait for the 5212A or just buy the 7200R and hope it increases my chances? Ideally I only want to buy one watch. I also saw the 7200R is selling for below retail in the grey market so if I wanted that should I just buy it elsewhere?

Would love your thoughts on this.

Thanks a lot

I would get the 7200/R from the AD. You had mentioned you only want one watch. Rarely this ends up happening :)


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[DoctorA]

Depends on which one you want/like more! If you like them both equally then go for the 7200R.
The 5712 is near impossible to be a first Patek from an AD unless you have a massive spending history. And even with that, some ADs don’t count your spending history outside Patek

There’s always grey market, which to be honest wouldn’t/can’t pay the grey price of the 5712!

Finally, don’t “settle” wait until you get the watch you want, not the second option, as you will end up getting it later but after having spent a lot on “compromises”
Best of luck!

[77T]

Originally Posted by rollierolls

Hi,

I am a lady and interested in buying my first PP. I'm interested in two models, either the 5212A or 7200R. I was told the 5212A has a 6 year waitlist and when I asked how to get on it, the sales associate said it's impossible and to forget it. The 7200R is available to be purchased anytime.

My question is whether I should try to visit other AD and wait for the 5212A or just buy the 7200R and hope it increases my chances? Ideally I only want to buy one watch. I also saw the 7200R is selling for below retail in the grey market so if I wanted that should I just buy it elsewhere?

Would love your thoughts on this.

Thanks a lot

First welcome to TRF- yes, try other ADs for the 7200r - it may lead to something good down the road. The 5212 is likely a long wait at any AD so secondary market may be better route.


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[Booth9999]

+1

[Rushne]

If you plan on having more Patek’s and love the 7200 as well, the. Buy the 7200 to start your collection. Yes there could be a saving on the grey market BUT, at an AD you will build a decent relationship buying a non high demand model, which will lead to being able to get one of those other models eventually.

[Buywatches]

This is one very helpful thread to me
Big ups

[chennney]

Originally Posted by rollierolls

Hi,

I am a lady and interested in buying my first PP. I'm interested in two models, either the 5212A or 7200R. I was told the 5212A has a 6 year waitlist and when I asked how to get on it, the sales associate said it's impossible and to forget it. The 7200R is available to be purchased anytime.

My question is whether I should try to visit other AD and wait for the 5212A or just buy the 7200R and hope it increases my chances? Ideally I only want to buy one watch. I also saw the 7200R is selling for below retail in the grey market so if I wanted that should I just buy it elsewhere?

Would love your thoughts on this.

Thanks a lot

If you’re only planning on buying 1 Patek, I think you’re better off going grey. I was also trying to get the 5212A from the AD, but after being told that I’d have to work my way up and spend a large amount of money on multiple models before I’d qualify to purchase the 5212A, I walked away and found it on the grey market from one of TRF’s reputable sellers.

Same with the 7200R — it’s great to be able to purchase it immediately from the AD, but as you’ve seen, the grey market prices are anywhere between $5k-$10k below retail before tax. If you’re not concerned about building up a purchase history with the AD, then I’d say go with grey. Just be careful with where you’re buying from on grey. Maybe reach out to the notable ones here on TRF and see if they can help you source one.


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[chennney]

Originally Posted by DoctorA

Depends on which one you want/like more! If you like them both equally then go for the 7200R.
The 5712 is near impossible to be a first Patek from an AD unless you have a massive spending history. And even with that, some ADs don’t count your spending history outside Patek

There’s always grey market, which to be honest wouldn’t/can’t pay the grey price of the 5712!

Finally, don’t “settle” wait until you get the watch you want, not the second option, as you will end up getting it later but after having spent a lot on “compromises”
Best of luck!

She’s going for the 5212A, not the 5712A. Still a $10-20k premium in the aftermarket but definitely not as bad as the nautilus demand.


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[DoctorA]

Originally Posted by chennney

She’s going for the 5212A, not the 5712A. Still a $10-20k premium in the aftermarket but definitely not as bad as the nautilus demand.


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My bad! I must have misread it. Still 5212A is pretty hard to be a first Patek from an AD!

[Tinka2020]

Get it elsewhere no point playing AD games if you only want one Patek.


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[ts3]

In my eyes 7200R and 5212A are different enough that I'd try to make up my mind which one I really want and take it from there.

One is 34mm, the other 40mm. One is rose gold, the other white metal. One is clean and simple, the other one as busy as they come.

Have you tried both on?

Personally, I find the clean looks of 7200R more appealing. I got a preowned 34mm Calatrava as my first Patek many years ago and have had no regrets.

[rollierolls]

Thanks for all the great advice. I will try another AD and see the response.

I love both watches so much even though they're so different so it's really hard for me to decide between them. The 5212A is harder to get so of course there is more appeal from that ;P But I do agree the simplicity of the 7200R is very appealing.

[Benzsiam]

If you plan to have only these two Patek, goes grey might be better. You can get it cheaper for 7200R but premium on 5212A, overall probably $15k extra but you can get it now.

If you go with AD, 7200R is more expensive than grey and you still have to wait for long long time or have to spend more money on something else before you can qualify to get 5212A.

[Calatrava r]

If you only want one watch and it's the Weekly Timer just pick one up pre-owned, new in the box, now from a trusted seller. Have it tomorrow. The premium is not that bad at the moment. They will skyrocket, if Patek discontinues them.

[Arthur Daley]

I'm going to be terribly unhelpful and say that if I was a woman I'd go for a 4910 or 7300.

I think all things Nautilus and Aquanaut are overhyped (despite owning an Aquanaut) and am in fact a bit put off by the fact that everyone wants one because, well, everyone wants one. (Not saying that's where you are; but that's probably 95pct+ of prospective buyers): demand driving demand.

While more recognizable than the ones I reference above, I personally like the fact that the 7300 and 4910 are also rare and only those REALLY in the know, will know. And you, of course, as the lucky owner.

Whatever you decide: good luck! You can't really go wrong with a Patek. Enjoy the buying process.

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[Benzsiam]

Originally Posted by Arthur Daley

I'm going to be terribly unhelpful and say that if I was a woman I'd go for a 4910 or 7300.

I think all things Nautilus and Aquanaut are overhyped (despite owning an Aquanaut) and am in fact a bit put off by the fact that everyone wants one because, well, everyone wants one. (Not saying that's where you are; but that's probably 95pct+ of prospective buyers): demand driving demand.

While more recognizable than the ones I reference above, I personally like the fact that the 7300 and 4910 are also rare and only those REALLY in the know, will know. And you, of course, as the lucky owner.

Whatever you decide: good luck! You can't really go wrong with a Patek. Enjoy the buying process.

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Very good advice, I think 7300 in RG looks gorgeous and very good value for the money, easy to access also.

[rollierolls]

Really not a fan of the diamonds hahah

[Medem]

In my opinion, from the perspective of horological value, I do not think you would lose at all with an ultra-thin Patek Philippe watch that looks supremely elegant irrespective of whether you decide to dress it up or down, with grained silver dial, applied gold Breguet numerals and a 240 Caliber with micro-rotor. On top of all that it is readily available. This watch is a fine example of Patek Philippe values and tradition and I would advise you get it as your first Patek Philippe.

I love 5212/A and I am positive it would look great on you, but in my view it is too casual and quirky as a first/only Patek Philippe watch.

I would say it is either 7200/R or both.

[Parapraxis]

If you only want one Patek, go grey and get the 5212A.

The 10k premium is nothing compared to the endless years and 100s of thousands of dollars you'll need to spend at the AD to maybe get a watch with a 6 year waitlist.

[macrowatch]

More than any specific watch, I'd recommend making sure you're 'dating' the right partner in this journey.

The question behind the question is whether or not you want to work with an AD that will openly negotiate/discuss bundles versus one that is more opaque.

[rollierolls]

Originally Posted by Medem

In my opinion, from the perspective of horological value, I do not think you would lose at all with an ultra-thin Patek Philippe watch that looks supremely elegant irrespective of whether you decide to dress it up or down, with grained silver dial, applied gold Breguet numerals and a 240 Caliber with micro-rotor. On top of all that it is readily available. This watch is a fine example of Patek Philippe values and tradition and I would advise you get it as your first Patek Philippe.

I love 5212/A and I am positive it would look great on you, but in my view it is too casual and quirky as a first/only Patek Philippe watch.

I would say it is either 7200/R or both.

Great points thank you, I was kind of overlooking this design since it's readily available but you're right, it's a beautiful and elegant piece

[rollierolls]

Parapraxis
Didn't think of it this way. True I feel this piece will just more and more expensive

macrowatch
I am not experienced with building a relationship. I am kind of afraid to ask for what I want haha.

[Jmaster]

I was also told by my AD to forget about it.

She told me that in order to get the 5212a, I need to buy 2-3 more Patek complication pieces (and other brands at the same AD won’t count). They then need to get their Patek rep to approve me as a buyer wrote ordering one.

I didn’t think it’s worth the efforts.

[dauster]

I think to sum it up either go grey or if you want to build a long term relationship and have sufficient funds find an AD that seems fair, reasonable ( challenge in itself I'll admit) and also has Rolex.

Buy some Rolex watches you would enjoy and hold value (pretty much everything) and buy enough so you are over 150-200k purchase history (might take a year) and maybe buy a PP in between and keep mentioning the watch you want and it might magically appear.

Some Ads even sell the the watches you bought from them for you. You might not make top dollar but at least you wont be blacklisted and might make be a few $$$ in the process. Obviously this takes time and effort - so it depends if you enjoy the game or not.