5712/1A - Gone by 2022. Thoughts?

[WWC]

5712/1A seems to probably follow suit after they discontinued the 5711 in white first and then followed by the blue just recently.

Will the 5712/1A follow suit in 2022? Does kinda make sense.

https://youtu.be/AMQdU2SZjkI

[Busyboy]

They've been discontinuing nautilus models almost year on year for a while, 5726 prior to the 5711 white... Can't really remember when the 5980 went but it did...
They're definitely ebbing and yeahhhhhhh I think 5712, my own favourite of the family, will go too

[Ichiran]

I'm guessing all the 57xx will be gone in 2 to 3 years max. Strangely the value of 5726 blue has surged in the past 2 weeks without any reasons. Knock on effect with the shortest production run?

[WWC]

I believe it was a bold move to discontinue the 5711 in steel as it’s the brand telling the whole world that they don’t to see the whole brand depending on this particular model.

My guess is phasing all SS watches out and leaving the PM models. As many have said, they have done with the 5711 white and blue and the 5726 and 5980 in SS.

[liljctl]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

I'm guessing all the 57xx will be gone in 2 to 3 years max.

Even the 5740?

[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by liljctl

Even the 5740?

Yep I would think so. They are releasing the new Nautilus case and all existing 57xx will be "refreshed" including the 40. The 40 will have a 5-year run by 2023...

[bob101]

Who cares, flip it plus cash for a real manual chrono or split seconds chrono, 5270P/5370P is my opinion :)
If you got it retail cash in while you can. Then you can buy a real Patek.

[jamestucker]

Originally Posted by WWC

I believe it was a bold move to discontinue the 5711 in steel as it’s the brand telling the whole world that they don’t to see the whole brand depending on this particular model.

My guess is phasing all SS watches out and leaving the PM models. As many have said, they have done with the 5711 white and blue and the 5726 and 5980 in SS.

There is still 5726A and 5726/1A on the catalogue

[sameer222]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

I'm guessing all the 57xx will be gone in 2 to 3 years max. Strangely the value of 5726 blue has surged in the past 2 weeks without any reasons. Knock on effect with the shortest production run?

I've noticed the increase on the 5726 blue as well. I believe this is the 'sleeper' of the Nautilus line

[SL BRABUS]

Originally Posted by WWC

5712/1A seems to probably follow suit after they discontinued the 5711 in white first and then followed by the blue just recently.

Will the 5712/1A follow suit in 2022? Does kinda make sense.

https://youtu.be/AMQdU2SZjkI

Thanks for the thewatchbox youtube video....^^^..

Speculation regarding the 5712 kinda make sense too.....

Having said that......

At the end of the video thewatchbox mention they looking to buy the Aquanaut 5167 instead of the Nautilus 5712.....

That show the 5167 is in higher demand than the 5712 since the 5711 discontinued.....

[7sins]

Originally Posted by sameer222

I've noticed the increase on the 5726 blue as well. I believe this is the 'sleeper' of the Nautilus line

Incredible watch but fail to see it as a "sleeper" at $100k+ for SS, plenty of demand to be able to warrant those prices. Personal and subjective opinion but I would rather buy the 5980 at those prices.

[sameer222]

Originally Posted by 7sins

Incredible watch but fail to see it as a "sleeper" at $100k+ for SS, plenty of demand to be able to warrant those prices. Personal and subjective opinion but I would rather buy the 5980 at those prices.

I'd label it a 'sleeper' as it's a blue dialed nautilus that is likely to have a far shorter production run than a 5711 blue or 5712A when the eventual discontinuation of the 57xx line occurs. The 5711 blue now asks $100K+ and the 5712 is not far off but both have been produced for many more years in comparison.

This is simply speculation, I could be very well off the mark. Needless to say, I like the 5726 blue the best of the lot.

[JorgeCCW]

Originally Posted by SL BRABUS

Thanks for the thewatchbox youtube video....^^^..

Speculation regarding the 5712 kinda make sense too.....

Having said that......

At the end of the video thewatchbox mention they looking to buy the Aquanaut 5167 instead of the Nautilus 5712.....

That show the 5167 is in higher demand than the 5712 since the 5711 discontinued.....

or they re trying to swift the market on that direction , all the greys do that to a degree I think

[pav333hp]

Originally Posted by JorgeCCW

or they re trying to swift the market on that direction, all the greys do that to a degree I think

I actually think you have a point here. Personally the 5712 is a MUCH better watch imho than a 5167, but it is also more expensive. Grey know that rumors about discontinued models (especially watches like Nautilus) can drive up prices pretty rapidly, so why not try to buy out 5712s before that happens. This gives them the upper edge on the price increase and larger profit margins (which can be in $10,000's when it comes to Nautilus).

[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by sameer222

I'd label it a 'sleeper' as it's a blue dialed nautilus that is likely to have a far shorter production run than a 5711 blue or 5712A when the eventual discontinuation of the 57xx line occurs. The 5711 blue now asks $100K+ and the 5712 is not far off but both have been produced for many more years in comparison.

This is simply speculation, I could be very well off the mark. Needless to say, I like the 5726 blue the best of the lot.

I'm also seeing 5712 creeping up, but not as much as the 5726. I think the market is factoring the discontinuation of all the 57xx.

[GreenLantern]

I heard that Patek is going to outsource their sports watch manufacturing to Hublot, and actually refer all their sports watch clients to them.

[SL BRABUS]

Originally Posted by JorgeCCW

or they re trying to swift the market on that direction , all the greys do that to a degree I think

They should promote the 5524 instead.....

Originally Posted by pav333hp

I actually think you have a point here. Personally the 5712 is a MUCH better watch imho than a 5167, but it is also more expensive. Grey know that rumors about discontinued models (especially watches like Nautilus) can drive up prices pretty rapidly, so why not try to buy out 5712s before that happens. This gives them the upper edge on the price increase and larger profit margins (which can be in $10,000's when it comes to Nautilus).

Originally Posted by Ichiran

I'm also seeing 5712 creeping up, but not as much as the 5726. I think the market is factoring the discontinuation of all the 57xx.

I notice any Nautilus that hit over $100K are hard to moved.....

No matter what..... Look like it heading in that direction....

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

I heard that Patek is going to outsource their sports watch manufacturing to Hublot, and actually refer all their sports watch clients to them.

Are you serious.....

[Ubiquitous1984]

Are any of these steel 5711/5712 listed for crazy prices actually selling?

[bob101]

If you like it buy it if you don’t like it don’t buy it.. if you’ve bought a lot from your AD ask for 5726 blue or 5740g while you still can...

[ts3]

Originally Posted by SL BRABUS

I notice any Nautilus that hit over $100K are hard to moved.....

No matter what..... Look like it heading in that direction....

You called it that 5711 blue would soon reach USD 100k.

But so far the prices are just asking prices. Absolutely no movement and there was not much movement near USD 70k earlier.

[SL BRABUS]

Originally Posted by ts3

You called it that 5711 blue would soon reach USD 100k.

But so far the prices are just asking prices. Absolutely no movement and there was not much movement near USD 70k earlier.

lol.... You doubt me on the other thread... Yes, I did say it will hit $100K if the 5711 or 5712 were to be discontinue.....

As for the asking price at 100k, I didn't say it will sell like hot cake......

Regarding after the confirmation of the 5711 discontinued, the 5711 blue sell like hot cake at around 70K.....

For those who new reading this.....^^^... You could recap the other thread by click the below thread link.....

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...=784162&page=2

[WWC]

I guess it might be sooner than expected now?

Geez, speaking about rumors right?

https://www.watchpro.com/rumours-of-...s-up-20/?amp=1

[GreenLantern]

According to data on Chrono24, asking prices for the 5712A have risen from around $35,000 in 2016 to a high of $104,000 in August 2019.

They dipped over the following year to around $80,000 in the summer of 2020 but have since surged back to above $100,000. Unworn pieces are being offered today for between $100,000 and $115,000.

I just don't see how anyone can't agree that this is bubble territory.

But hey, it's cool. It's cool.

[pav333hp]

Originally Posted by WWC

I guess it might be sooner than expected now?

Geez, speaking about rumors right?

https://www.watchpro.com/rumours-of-...s-up-20/?amp=1

well... lets see if these rumors pan out... Will be interesting to see what happens...

[GreenLantern]

The thing worth noting is that historically, Patek only issues one annual run-out list.

That already happened a few weeks ago.

The 5712/1A was clearly not on it.

[scurfa]

With Patek steel was always limited, the answer is to keep the Nautilus in precious metals only, keep the numbers low and the interest in other models up, the steel Nautilus obsession driven by value only is ruining the brand.

[V25V]

Missed wearing mine. All this chatter got me motivated.




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[Qimchi]

All models whether 5712/5726 will be discontinued eventually.

I feel like the market needed a reason (discontinued) to push the price of 5712 higher than 5711. Not many buying these 5711 at 100k plus when 5712/5726 is trading lower or equivalent.

[CastorKrieg]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

I just don't see how anyone can't agree that this is bubble territory.

But hey, it's cool. It's cool.

Keep in mind the whole world now is flushed with cash - people made killing on the stock market in the past 12 months. No travel + no dining + no socializing also means certain people have incredible amount of money sitting around.

[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

I just don't see how anyone can't agree that this is bubble territory.

But hey, it's cool. It's cool.

Hey, I don't mind the bubble bursting to below MSRP so that I can buy them off the grey market. I hate the wait too.