Electric Car Domination?

[Burlington]

Originally Posted by Blansky

Here's something we haven't discussed and I don't follow racing but are there any rumblings on the Formula 1 front or any other front about electric race cars?

I'm guessing NASCAR will be the last to join in but who knows. One would guess that the association that evolved from Moonshine runners may be less than enthused to opt in.

Drag racing would be interesting. These electrics can boogie off the start line.

That would be Formula E - been going for a couple of years now.

[kieselguhr]

I’ll jump on board the EV train the day that I am able to pretend I am clutch kicking, rev matching, heel toeing all while the car drives itself around town.

[Paul7]

I've read where traditional auto repair shops will be in for trouble, just not near not as much to break with an electric car.

[Fabrice M]

Unlike some of you, I think the switch to all electric is going to be very fast. I also feel that the new, younger generation aren’t interested in cars as the older one once were. I not only believe in a fast transition to electric but to self-driving autonomous vehicles. I know that my next car is going to be all electric and autonomous.

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by Fabrice M

Unlike some of you, I think the switch to all electric is going to be very fast. I also feel that the new, younger generation aren’t interested in cars as the older one once were. I not only believe in a fast transition to electric but to self-driving autonomous vehicles. I know that my next car is going to be all electric and autonomous.

I actually agree with you I believe the change is inevitable and once it gets going, will occur very fast. My next car (right now I own a Hybrid) will be EV.

[RotorSelfWinding]

Originally Posted by MILGAUSS88

For several years, there has been talk of taxing electric car owners on the miles that they drive per year.

Otherwise, I agree with you.

Many states are charging EV registration fees. Texas proposed $400 per car.

I own two Teslas. Yikes


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[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by RotorSelfWinding

Many states are charging EV registration fees. Texas proposed $400 per car.

I own two Teslas. Yikes


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I want to help.... Give me one of your Teslas. Heck, I’ll even come out to Texas and pick it up. No.. no need to thank me, just helping out a fellow TRFer

[MILGAUSS88]

Originally Posted by RotorSelfWinding

Many states are charging EV registration fees. Texas proposed $400 per car.
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My state charges 1% of MSRP per year, for the first 7 years.
So you aren't getting any sympathy from me. That's a typical registration fee.
Just remembered, I had an Expedition for a while.
That was $700.

[Andad]

A quick calculation will show a serious lack of coal fired power stations.

The devil is in the detail.

I can also imagine the rows and rows of tenements across the globe with power leads from every window out to the electric cars in the streets below.

I haven’t even started to consider the long term battery renewal/disposal issues.

Radical new battery chemistry will be required to make an EV transition.

Current technology will not make it.

[Speedbird-1]

I have been considering an EV for a couple of years.
I recently sold my 4 year old Range Rover. A fabulous motor car but, it was costing me £1500 pa. in insurance and 'road tax', plus £1500 in servicing etc, etc.
I feel the backside is going to fall out of the big petrol engined Range Rover market soon, so thought I'd get out, whilst the, going was good.

I've driven less than 1000 miles over the past year, and less then 5K per year over the previous 24 months. We have our lovely diesel Mercedes estate for all our current needs, but will still consider our priorities, and maybe an EV for our short journeys.

It will be interesting to se how long the government 'subsidies' on EV's last, once the majority have 'converted'. Not too long I suspect!
Heaven knows what a gallon of electrickery is going to cost in 5 or 10 years!

Electrified, International, Bulk human transportation will be interesting.
Boeing 777E New York - London.....anyone?

As for converting 'Classic' cars...well!
I think Dear Enzo, Herr Porsche, Sir William Lyons, Caroll Shelby, et al, will be
reciprocating in their final resting places.
Well, maybe not so much the remarkable 'Ferdy' Porsche, he at least, seems to have been ahead of the game.....as per usual.
Feast your eyes on the, c1898 Mixte Hybrid. Lohner-Porsche

Bicycle anyone?......'lectric, of course.

[Goin2drt]

Originally Posted by Fabrice M

Unlike some of you, I think the switch to all electric is going to be very fast. I also feel that the new, younger generation aren’t interested in cars as the older one once were. I not only believe in a fast transition to electric but to self-driving autonomous vehicles. I know that my next car is going to be all electric and autonomous.

So how do they QUICKLY convert billions of autos, semi’s etc? How do they QUICKLY built 10’s of thousands charging station BTW all different since none of these idiots want to go with one type so you will need ten of thousands. Porsche, Tesla, Chevy they are all different. How do all these stations get their power so then not about just building the charging station but upgrading the infrastructure to handle the charging. New underground lines etc etc. How does all this get done quickly?

I agree that quickly folks will start buying EVs as range anxiety gets better, charging becomes faster and more charging stations built. The end of ICE though will be decades, not quickly at all.

Again all in semantics but adoption of just buying an EV vs. all ICE being gone are decades apart, not QUICKLY.

[1William]

An interesting an fun read about speculation regarding EV's. I believe that EV's will get a small portion of the market and do well in larger urban areas who have the infrastructure to support charging. For the rest of the country, not so much. The real game changer will be if someone can come up with a better battery that will last 3-10x longer on the same charge and has a rapid charge. I know no one who currently owns an EV and the few that did give them a try moved out of them. We will see as technology advances but in the current state I will not be a buyer.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by 1William

An interesting an fun read about speculation regarding EV's. I believe that EV's will get a small portion of the market and do well in larger urban areas who have the infrastructure to support charging. For the rest of the country, not so much. The real game changer will be if someone can come up with a better battery that will last 3-10x longer on the same charge and has a rapid charge. I know no one who currently owns an EV and the few that did give them a try moved out of them. We will see as technology advances but in the current state I will not be a buyer.

I tend to agree. Battery technology just is quite there yet IMO.

I wonder about hydrogen fuel cell technology....

[bondtoys]

Originally Posted by Goin2drt

So how do they QUICKLY convert billions of autos, semi’s etc? How do they QUICKLY built 10’s of thousands charging station BTW all different since none of these idiots want to go with one type so you will need ten of thousands. Porsche, Tesla, Chevy they are all different. How do all these stations get their power so then not about just building the charging station but upgrading the infrastructure to handle the charging. New underground lines etc etc. How does all this get done quickly?

I agree that quickly folks will start buying EVs as range anxiety gets better, charging becomes faster and more charging stations built. The end of ICE though will be decades, not quickly at all.

Again all in semantics but adoption of just buying an EV vs. all ICE being gone are decades apart, not QUICKLY.

There are so many wrong assumptions in your post.
Just one hint: You can charge your Porsche/Tesla/Chevy/BMW etc whatever on every ordinary charging station. The incompatibility that you write about doesn‘t exist!

[CharlieWex]

I don't think that if all the "classic cars" disappear everyone will be upset. And I don't think that's possible.

[superdog]

Originally Posted by Fabrice M

Unlike some of you, I think the switch to all electric is going to be very fast. I also feel that the new, younger generation aren’t interested in cars as the older one once were. I not only believe in a fast transition to electric but to self-driving autonomous vehicles. I know that my next car is going to be all electric and autonomous.

The car community is exploding right now.

Might be the greater world of kids aren’t interested. But the cad community is literally exploding. All over the US.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by superdog

The car community is exploding right now.

Might be the greater world of kids aren’t interested. But the cad community is literally exploding. All over the US.

Loved following you down in Florida at your last meet

[V25V]

No way. Can't do it.

[Syed117]

Just give me the option to never drive again and I will die a happy man.

Let's make it happen within 10 years. Thanks

[ofelas]

Let me know where I can replace my tractors & harvesters with electric ones.

Don't forget to also point me towards a nuclear powered genset bank, to provide redundancy for my electric IH/JD replacements.

Until then, I'll continue to grow & raise the food that people eat the way it's done.

Virtue signaling city people, I tell ya.

[Speedbird-1]

Originally Posted by ofelas

Let me know where I can replace my tractors & harvesters with electric ones.

Don't forget to also point me towards a nuclear powered genset bank, to provide redundancy for my electric IH/JD replacements.

Until then, I'll continue to grow & raise the food that people eat the way it's done.

Virtue signaling city people, I tell ya.

But......
What did your forebears do with all their horses and tack?

[ofelas]

Put that stuff down as a down payment on a diesel storage tank?

Shook their heads & chuckled at city folks growing a "vine ripened" tomato in an apartment flower pot?

All while looking at the sun or consulting a pocket watch?

Originally Posted by Speedbird-1

But......
What did your forebears do with all their horses and tack?

[Doug5551]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

SINCE YOU ASKED Here is a pic. It’s actually not that old, a 95, I don’t know if that really qualifies as “vintage.” It was my step father’s, he had it 20 years, and for those 20 he harped on me: “When I’m gone you better take care of this car!” Well, he is and I am. 26 years old and 48,000 miles.

That is such a lovely and meaningful story.

Thank you very much for sharing it with us. Very classy....

[dba]

I don't see the USA having the infrastructure in place for lots of electric cars for at least 50 years.

[Watch Rob]

How long did it take cars to replace horses?

[ofelas]

Never will replace.

Cars (well then, pickups in my world) will never replace a horse.

Try riding into a quagmire to rope an errant calf, let alone cross plowed fields in a vehicle.

Not going to happen for some of us, the instant feedback from a good horse is priceless.

For the disbelievers, may I suggest battery powered watches.

Originally Posted by Watch Rob

How long did it take cars to replace horses?

[Speedbird-1]

Originally Posted by ofelas

Never will replace.

Cars (well then, pickups in my world) will never replace a horse.

Try riding into a quagmire to rope an errant calf, let alone cross plowed fields in a vehicle.

Not going to happen for some of us, the instant feedback from a good horse is priceless.

For the disbelievers, may I suggest battery powered watches.

I hear you friend, recently saw some heartbreaking 1950's footage, of a farming family throwing armfuls of beautiful tack onto a bonfire in their yard, a couple of brace of Suffolk Punch being lead away, the family in tears and a shiny, New Fangled Tractor in the background.....heartbreaking.

[MrGoat]

Originally Posted by ofelas

Never will replace.

Cars (well then, pickups in my world) will never replace a horse.

Try riding into a quagmire to rope an errant calf, let alone cross plowed fields in a vehicle.

Not going to happen for some of us, the instant feedback from a good horse is priceless.

For the disbelievers, may I suggest battery powered watches.

You can’t drive a truck through a wetland pushing cows out. You can with dogs and horses though. Also, I doubt many here know what it’s like to try to drive over anything that’s been disced or plowed.

That being said, there are some things that will be replaced and some that won’t. I know I’m not getting on a battery powered airplane (surely I am not the only one), I am inclined to think it’s not cost efficient to have battery powered ships and there’s lots of random equipment that is in places nowhere near power that will not be replaced for quite some time. Electric Cars and trucks will start gaining presence on the roads but I doubt we will see fossil fuel powered vehicles be obsolete in any of our lifetimes. Flying cars will be available before the complete transition to electric vehicles. (This is my own opinion, I have no sources and I am open to civilized discussion).


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[ERH]

Went for my second shot, the line of cars snaked around for two hours. As far as I could see, snaking ahead of me, snaking behind me all I saw were SUVs, pickups, sedans, I counted three subcompacts, not one EV. By any measure this was a totally random collection of vehicles. EVs have a real steep climb, and other technologies are being ignored in the discussion.

[gnuyork]

Originally Posted by kieselguhr

I’ll jump on board the EV train the day that I am able to pretend I am clutch kicking, rev matching, heel toeing all while the car drives itself around town.

You know, I might embrace electric cars, if they could have some enthusiast driving options, like a clutch and manual shift. Probably makes no sense technology wise, but I prefer a manual car, and always have one or two in the garage.

Also part of the driving thrill is the exhaust sound. A big deal to me. EV cars are silent, or don't make cool noises anyway.