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Old 26 September 2020, 11:55 PM   #1
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12 Series Daytona?

Just for the sake of discussion to break up some complaining threads

How do you guys feel about a Daytona upgrade in the near (1-3 years) future? Most everything else has went to 12 series, and the Daytona hasn’t been upgraded aside from dials and a new bezel in what, almost 20 years? Seems it’s maybe due to follow suit.

Curious what you all might think will happen. Thoughts?
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Old 27 September 2020, 12:04 AM   #2
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That'd be awesome!!! 44mm, maxi case, large date, and Jubilee option..................

Who knows?? I doubt Rolex will mess with such an iconic design. Perhaps add the crown at the 6:00 position between Swiss - Made and update the reference number.
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Old 27 September 2020, 12:05 AM   #3
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I sure hope Rolex never puts a date on the Daytona. I hate dates on a chrono
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Old 27 September 2020, 12:12 AM   #4
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The perfect 12 series Daytona is the 11 series.
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Old 27 September 2020, 12:15 AM   #5
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I sure hope Rolex never puts a date on the Daytona. I hate dates on a chrono
I’m really really not thinking they do this, but who knows. It ruins the flow/symmetry for me too. AP’s chrono for example, that wonky date position just looks out of place. Personally I’m hoping for something that *actually* measures 40, or a ‘41’ release which is a bit bigger.

The movement already has 72 hours so not too sure what they would add there, but it just seems for simplicity sake in the range, they’re going to add the crown at 6 and make it a 12 series.
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Old 27 September 2020, 12:16 AM   #6
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A 42mm Daytona in the same case as the YM42, that would be great.
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Old 27 September 2020, 12:22 AM   #7
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That'd be awesome!!! 44mm, maxi case, large date, and Jubilee option..................

Who knows?? I doubt Rolex will mess with such an iconic design. Perhaps add the crown at the 6:00 position between Swiss - Made and update the reference number.
I think that would be pretty cool to offer the Jubilee! I’m not a vintage Daytona guy, but weren’t they offered as an option near the beginning of their production?
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Old 27 September 2020, 12:32 AM   #8
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A completely new movement, new clasp, new bezel in 20 years is a lot fundamental changes in 20 years under the dial for a Rolex model. If I had my way, I would make it 3600 bph so as to line up with the 5 dial divisions between hour markers, and maybe a large date for coolness. Then start adding the large date to Air King, Explorer etc. But alas, I just buy them, I don't design them
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Old 27 September 2020, 01:24 AM   #9
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Funny you bring this up as I was chatting about it with my AD recently. Short answer is why not? I would think they would have something more material to change to justify the model reference change though, such as a flyback complication...or even more revolutionary, like bringing symmetrical lugs back! Lol
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Old 27 September 2020, 01:29 AM   #10
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I sure hope Rolex never puts a date on the Daytona. I hate dates on a chrono
Agreed!
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Old 27 September 2020, 01:59 AM   #11
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A few months ago, I would have thought no way. But with the classic Sub now at 41mm, who knows. I could see Rolex bumping up the case size on the Daytona. Hope they don’t though.
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Old 27 September 2020, 02:01 AM   #12
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12 Series Daytona?

I hate to think what will happen to the 116500 gray prices the day it gets discontinued.
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Old 27 September 2020, 02:06 AM   #13
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I hate to think what will happen to the average gray prices of the 116500 the day it gets discontinued.
If they bump up the size, 100%! I could see it skyrocketing. Because there’s a large pool of guys who swear by the current size as the best fitting watch they own.

As a standalone watch, it’s alright, although definitely small. What really kills it for me though, is if it’s in a rotation. Say after wearing a Sub, it just feels too small for a sport watch IMO. It’s so misleading though because I wouldn’t even say it needs to grow to say 42, just make it measure the marketed size! 38mm is my sweet sport for anything on a leather strap, not a chrono.

After DJ, OP and Sub are all to 41 though, I’m really thinking Daytona becomes 41 as well.
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Old 27 September 2020, 02:08 AM   #14
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Funny you bring this up as I was chatting about it with my AD recently. Short answer is why not? I would think they would have something more material to change to justify the model reference change though, such as a flyback complication...or even more revolutionary, like bringing symmetrical lugs back! Lol
Yeah that’s true. Although small, it would make waves....in that I could definitely see a ‘true’ Panda dial being released on the 12. There’s been so much outcry for that on a SS model for historic accuracy.

I’m in a minority in thinking the white dial TT is the best of the bunch. I’m curious if they’re going to move to all ceramic bezels or keep the gold on the TT/PM models.
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Old 27 September 2020, 02:12 AM   #15
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Just for the sake of discussion to break up some complaining threads

How do you guys feel about a Daytona upgrade in the near (1-3 years) future? Most everything else has went to 12 series, and the Daytona hasn’t been upgraded aside from dials and a new bezel in what, almost 20 years? Seems it’s maybe due to follow suit.

Curious what you all might think will happen. Thoughts?
I doubt it but then again anything is possible. I don't anyone would have imagined Rolex would go 41mm on the Sub (but technically it is just 0.3mm to 40.5 therefore rounds up to 41mm (sneaky - but i digress))

it aIready has 70hr PR. i can maybe see Rolex "fixing" all the Daytonas (ie SS and TT) to have symmetrical lugs like the full PM versions. Rolex seems to like these imperceptible updates
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Old 27 September 2020, 02:15 AM   #16
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I doubt it but then again anything is possible. I don't anyone would have imagined Rolex would go 41mm on the Sub (but technically it is just 0.3mm to 40.5 therefore rounds up to 41mm (sneaky - but i digress))

it aIready has 70hr PR. i can maybe see Rolex "fixing" all the Daytonas (ie SS and TT) to have symmetrical lugs like the full PM versions. Rolex seems to like these imperceptible updates
Yeah I’m also with you I don’t see any ‘huge’ changes. But doesn’t it just make sense to transition and have a more uniform ’12’ series lineup? I just can’t see them continuously leaving one model line’s dial without the crown at 6 o clock, seems very un-Rolex like (as I’m fully expecting massive Explorer changes in ‘21 for 50th anniv).
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Old 27 September 2020, 02:21 AM   #17
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If they bump up the size, 100%! I could see it skyrocketing. Because there’s a large pool of guys who swear by the current size as the best fitting watch they own.

As a standalone watch, it’s alright, although definitely small. What really kills it for me though, is if it’s in a rotation. Say after wearing a Sub, it just feels too small for a sport watch IMO. It’s so misleading though because I wouldn’t even say it needs to grow to say 42, just make it measure the marketed size! 38mm is my sweet sport for anything on a leather strap, not a chrono.

After DJ, OP and Sub are all to 41 though, I’m really thinking Daytona becomes 41 as well.

I agree.... changing the size might upset some (me included). I do like knowing I’m wearing a different watch when the Daytona is on. I do hear you re your views on rotation, though.
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Old 27 September 2020, 03:09 AM   #18
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I don't think that dimensionally or aesthetically they would mess with success. Look how much controversy changing the Sub generated, although I think the changes were positive. They might update the internals of the 4130 movement, which is probably due for the 20 yr old design.
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Old 27 September 2020, 04:11 AM   #19
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I don't think that dimensionally or aesthetically they would mess with success. Look how much controversy changing the Sub generated, although I think the changes were positive. They might update the internals of the 4130 movement, which is probably due for the 20 yr old design.

+1 if it’s not broke, why fix it? Probably think they’ll update the movement if ever.
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Old 27 September 2020, 04:17 AM   #20
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I find screw down pushers a pain, but I know Rolex would never get rid of them.
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Old 27 September 2020, 04:19 AM   #21
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I don't think that dimensionally or aesthetically they would mess with success. Look how much controversy changing the Sub generated, although I think the changes were positive. They might update the internals of the 4130 movement, which is probably due for the 20 yr old design.
Don't think so, the 4130 is still top of the game.
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Old 27 September 2020, 04:52 AM   #22
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True Panda dials would be an unbelievably popular cosmetic upgrade for the SS models......we really haven't seen that combination since the early days of the Daytona. I have a feeling, however, that the true Panda dials are now reserved for the PM Daytonas. We did get one, a few years back, on the TT model with Arabic numerals and racing dial.
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Old 27 September 2020, 05:26 AM   #23
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The perfect 12 series Daytona is the 11 series.
Yep
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Old 27 September 2020, 05:40 AM   #24
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I would like to see a Flyback. That would be cool. I love my Daytona’s as is but would be happy to see added complication like Flyback.


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Old 3 July 2022, 06:52 AM   #25
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Bumping up for 2022. What do people think nowadays? I still think this is on the horizon asap, would just make sense as it’s the only watch without a 2 as the second digit
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Old 3 July 2022, 06:54 AM   #26
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I sure hope Rolex never puts a date on the Daytona. I hate dates on a chrono
Amen brother! Blasphemy lol!!!
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Old 3 July 2022, 06:57 AM   #27
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I think the 500 is near perfection? but if there is a 12 series Daytona probably I would want one that has less lines of words on the dial. Something along the lines of the 60-70s Daytona with only 3 lines at the top (Rolex/Oyster/Cosmograph) and Daytona above the 6pm sub dial. Maybe a return of the 'Big Eye' with bigger sub dials.. Ultimate wishlist would be a pulsation dial but that would be asking too much from Rolex
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Old 3 July 2022, 07:00 AM   #28
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Bumping up for 2022. What do people think nowadays? I still think this is on the horizon asap, would just make sense as it’s the only watch without a 2 as the second digit
Makes sense to me.

I really don’t know what they would change though.. I don’t think they would change the case size but what do I know. They would have to do something to warrant a new ref number though.
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Old 3 July 2022, 07:47 AM   #29
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Evolution to a 12 Series Daytona seems inevitable.

If we follow the evolution of the other lines, then …

Daytona 126500

- 41mm (40.5-40.6 measured)

- Glidelock Clasp (PLEASE !!)

- Larger Bracelet (to be proportionate to the enlarged case)

- 4 Matching Lugs (as in the PM models)

- No Date (PLEASSSSSE !!!)

- Crown on Dial at 6:00

- Midnight Blue Bezel / Midnight Blue Subdial Rings / Ice Blue Dial
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Evolution to a 12 Series Daytona seems inevitable.

If we follow the evolution of the other lines, then …

Daytona 126500

- 41mm (40.5-40.6 measured)

- Glidelock Clasp (PLEASE !!)

- Larger Bracelet (to be proportionate to the enlarged case)

- 4 Matching Lugs (as in the PM models)

- No Date (PLEASSSSSE !!!)

- Crown on Dial at 6:00


To a tee, this is exactly what I envision as well. No joke, super funny haha


All (relatively) minor revisions, but all stuff that groupthink will all agree is improvements and just adding onto to an already incredible timepiece.
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