ROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEX

Ahfe · 27 March 2018, 01:49 AM

Dear watch enthusiast. We all know by now Nautilus are impossible to get at retail price due to rarity and high demand. To top it off, now it's almost impossible to be listed under the waiting list unless you have bought a none popular Patek model from the store you want to purchase from

. That being said Prices have skyrocketed on 5711 and 5712 by 20% to control the demand and grey market (which skyrocketed as well lol). Long story short, wanted to run a poll and get your opinion for my first patek purchase (managed to be listed on all 3 models through a friend of mine)
5711r with rose bracelet (51k) - prestige and 5711 after all
5712 in steel and steel bracelet (40k) - rarity but overpriced and 4k short of 5726

5726 in steel (44K) - annual calendar and moonphase for reasonable price, and no real demand

I know alot of people will say get what you like the most, but I also for that price consider collectibility and value. To make it short, I love the 5712, but for its price would jump on 5726 due to its complications for price. But at that price range, heck 5711 rose is not too far off.

Btw, how can I create put a poll?

Thanks in advance my fella watch enthusiasts

thomaspp · 27 March 2018, 01:52 AM

For years I was in the 5711 camp, but have now been converted to the 5712 side of the world! The dial and 240 microrotor movement in the 5712 are really interesting!

"almost impossible to be listed under the waiting list unless you have bought a none popular Patek model from the store you want to purchase from".... wow have things gotten that bad?

Ahfe · 27 March 2018, 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomaspp

For years I was in the 5711 camp, but have now been converted to the 5712 side of the world! The dial and 240 microrotor movement in the 5712 are really interesting!

"almost impossible to be listed under the waiting list unless you have bought a none popular Patek model from the store you want to purchase from".... wow have things gotten that bad?

OH YES

Russell996 · 27 March 2018, 02:07 AM

Go retro in steel PP Neptune 5085. 240 micro rotor, layout as per 5712 and save yourself $25K.

Ahfe · 27 March 2018, 02:19 AM

[QUOTE=Russell996;8419556]Go retro in steel PP Neptune 5085. 240 micro rotor, layout as per 5712 and save yourself $25K.

Thought about it to be honest, but Nautilus to Patek, is like the Daytona for rolex, and like the royal oak for the audemars. It's their flagship, and to be honest, I am not glory hunting, I do love the nautilus, and the aquanaut doesn't cut it for me if I really wanted to save. Never the less, that is by far best neptune model

Vipes · 27 March 2018, 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ahfe

Dear watch enthusiast. We all know by now Nautilus are impossible to get at retail price due to rarity and high demand. To top it off, now it's almost impossible to be listed under the waiting list unless you have bought a none popular Patek model from the store you want to purchase from

. That being said Prices have skyrocketed on 5711 and 5712 by 20% to control the demand and grey market (which skyrocketed as well lol). Long story short, wanted to run a poll and get your opinion for my first patek purchase (managed to be listed on all 3 models through a friend of mine)
5711r with rose bracelet (51k) - prestige and 5711 after all
5712 in steel and steel bracelet (40k) - rarity but overpriced and 4k short of 5726

5726 in steel (44K) - annual calendar and moonphase for reasonable price, and no real demand

I know alot of people will say get what you like the most, but I also for that price consider collectibility and value. To make it short, I love the 5712, but for its price would jump on 5726 due to its complications for price. But at that price range, heck 5711 rose is not too far off.

Btw, how can I create put a poll?

Thanks in advance my fella watch enthusiasts

I would get the 5712. For me, I don't find an AC function that useful since I rotate through multiple watches a week. I would still get the 5712 at 40k. A lot of people have been complaining about the price of the 5711 and 5712. This is the new norm for these SS Genta pieces. Just look at the AP 15202IP; the list is around 36k and a TRF seller has it listed for 57k.

nyc2la · 27 March 2018, 02:43 AM

5712/1a

tyler1980 · 27 March 2018, 02:44 AM

5712...save the full gold 5711 for later. Your first nautilus really should be in steel

nyc2la · 27 March 2018, 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomaspp

For years I was in the 5711 camp, but have now been converted to the 5712 side of the world! The dial and 240 microrotor movement in the 5712 are really interesting!

"almost impossible to be listed under the waiting list unless you have bought a none popular Patek model from the store you want to purchase from".... wow have things gotten that bad?

Welcome, my friend!

It's a little crazy on this side, but it's fun and interesting, and still a little classy.

Ahfe · 27 March 2018, 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vipes

I would get the 5712. For me, I don't find an AC function that useful since I rotate through multiple watches a week. I would still get the 5712 at 40k. A lot of people have been complaining about the price of the 5711 and 5712. This is the new norm for these SS Genta pieces. Just look at the AP 15202IP; the list is around 36k and a TRF seller has it listed for 57k.

I agree it is not super functional complication on 5726 but I just feel I am not ripped off (price didn't jump 20% overnight as with 5712), and also the wait on 5712 is 3 years, vs 5726 which is about 1.5 yrs..

tyler1980 · 27 March 2018, 03:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ahfe

I agree it is not super functional complication on 5726but I feel I am not ripped off (price didn't jump 20% overnight as with 5712), and also the wait on 5712 is 3 years, vs 5726 which is about 1.5 yrs..

you are not getting ripped off. You can still sell it later and not lose money, the 5726 you are going to need a discount. The price rise was to put it more in line with market prices. Not that i advocate choosing a watch purely based on resale but at retail the 5712 is a better buy. The 26 might be a better value, but thats not the same thing.

Ahfe · 27 March 2018, 03:05 AM

[QUOTE=Russell996;8419556]Go retro in steel PP Neptune 5085. 240 micro rotor, layout as per 5712 and save yourself $25K.

I agree with you, but I feel that Nautilus is the flagship of Patek, just like the Daytona to Rolex and royal oak to AP. Nevertheless, your Neptune is my favorite of its line

And to be honest, I am not glory hunting, I do love the nautilus the most, and the aquanaut which is way cheaper is not cutting for me..

Ahfe · 27 March 2018, 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyler1980

you are not getting ripped off. You can still sell it later and not lose money, the 5726 you are going to need a discount. The price rise was to put it more in line with market prices. Not that i advocate choosing a watch purely based on resale but at retail the 5712 is a better buy. The 26 might be a better value, but thats not the same thing.

So your saying in long term, 5712 will have a better resale due to its high collectibility value and rarity?

Vipes · 27 March 2018, 03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ahfe

I agree it is not super functional complication on 5726 but I just feel I am not ripped off (price didn't jump 20% overnight as with 5712), and also the wait on 5712 is 3 years, vs 5726 which is about 1.5 yrs..

5726 is 1.5yr wait? That seems pretty long. I do like the 5726 esp. white dial. Good luck with the hunt.

tyler1980 · 27 March 2018, 03:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vipes

5726 is 1.5yr wait? That seems pretty long. I do like the 5726 esp. white dial. Good luck with the hunt.

it seems long in that ratio. 1.5 vs. 3. Usually the spread is farther apart regardless of the number of years we are talking about. I love the white dial 26 too.

Ahfe · 27 March 2018, 03:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vipes

5726 is 1.5yr wait? That seems pretty long. I do like the 5726 esp. white dial. Good luck with the hunt.

It due to limited production, a dealer for example gets 12 5712 a year, being 40 on list makes it about 3 years waiting (couple of people always drop out here and there)
5726 they get about 6 a year, being 12 on list makes it about 1.5 yrs wait
Interesting enough, I am number 4 on 5711 rose and they only get 2 a year, so it is the easiest to get on the list..

sensui · 27 March 2018, 03:16 AM

Value retention aside, I like the 5711 or 5712....I still haven't warmed up to the idea of complication in a stainless sport Nautilus case...I prefer the dressier options for that.

tyler1980 · 27 March 2018, 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ahfe

It due to limited production, a dealer for example gets 12 5712 a year, being 40 on list makes it about 3 years waiting (couple of people always drop out here and there)
5726 they get about 6 a year, being 12 on list makes it about 1.5 yrs wait
Interesting enough, I am number 4 on 5711 rose and they only get 2 a year, so it is the easiest to get on the list..

unless its a huge AD, 12 5712 and 6 5726 sounds really high.

Ahfe · 27 March 2018, 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyler1980

unless its a huge AD, 12 5712 and 6 5726 sounds really high.

Not to get in trouble, but yes, it's one of the biggest in US

tyler1980 · 27 March 2018, 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ahfe

Not to get in trouble, but yes, it's one of the biggest in US

yeah, they are not popular here.

Ahfe · 27 March 2018, 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyler1980

yeah, they are not popular here.

Damn Tyler, I checked your watch collection, solid to say the least..

Ahfe · 27 March 2018, 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russell996

Go retro in steel PP Neptune 5085. 240 micro rotor, layout as per 5712 and save yourself $25K.

Thought about it to be honest, but Nautilus to Patek, is like the Daytona for rolex, and like the royal oak for the audemars. It's their flagship, and to be honest, I am not glory hunting, I do love the nautilus, and the aquanaut doesn't cut it for me if I really wanted to save. Never the less, that is by far best neptune model

GB-man · 27 March 2018, 06:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ahfe

Not to get in trouble, but yes, it's one of the biggest in US

Will you be purchasing j....

nevermind....

I would get the 5711R as it seems that is your preferred choice money aside.

Ahfe · 27 March 2018, 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GB-man

Will you be purchasing j....

nevermind....

I would get the 5711R as it seems that is your preferred choice money aside.

sorry, not following you?!
Why don't you finish your statement?

Money aside, I love the 5712 the most, and I would have loved a 5712 all gold or two tone like 5980, but even if I want the 5712, its a 3 yrs min wait..

Hramez · 27 March 2018, 06:53 AM

Nautilus for me is 5712 ss & 5711 ss ,
5726 for me is a good watch , but for annual calendar there are much better choices in Patek complications
pm line
So I vote 5712
The 5726 could be an addition to collection

Mine for easy reference

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Ahfe · 27 March 2018, 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hramez

Nautilus for me is 5712 ss & 5711 ss ,
5726 for me is a good watch , but for annual calendar there are much better choices in Patek complications
pm line
So I vote 5712
The 5726 could be an addition to collection

Mine for easy reference

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Gorgeous collection, Believe it or not, my AD recommended the 5712 and 5726 as well, she said gold in nautilus are not popular and don't hold value as much..

Erod24 · 27 March 2018, 10:20 AM

What about a 5712r only $3,700 you get a gold watch.
Cheaper than a 5726 ss i would say a happy middle of a 5712a and 5711r

Ichiran · 27 March 2018, 10:38 AM

I'm going for the 5726. That will be my next watch hopefully

GB-man · 27 March 2018, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ahfe

sorry, not following you?!
Why don't you finish your statement?

Money aside, I love the 5712 the most, and I would have loved a 5712 all gold or two tone like 5980, but even if I want the 5712, its a 3 yrs min wait..

PM sent.

AK797 · 27 March 2018, 11:18 AM

If you can't buy the 5712 at retail I would go for the 5711R.

As for TT, they are just not popular and the spotty bracelet is not well designed unlike the fluid Rolex. In all my time here I can barely remember three TT incomings.

27 March 2018, 01:49 AM	#1
Ahfe "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: US Posts: 214	5711/1r vs 5712/1a vs 5726/1a Dear watch enthusiast. We all know by now Nautilus are impossible to get at retail price due to rarity and high demand. To top it off, now it's almost impossible to be listed under the waiting list unless you have bought a none popular Patek model from the store you want to purchase from . That being said Prices have skyrocketed on 5711 and 5712 by 20% to control the demand and grey market (which skyrocketed as well lol). Long story short, wanted to run a poll and get your opinion for my first patek purchase (managed to be listed on all 3 models through a friend of mine) 5711r with rose bracelet (51k) - prestige and 5711 after all 5712 in steel and steel bracelet (40k) - rarity but overpriced and 4k short of 5726 5726 in steel (44K) - annual calendar and moonphase for reasonable price, and no real demand I know alot of people will say get what you like the most, but I also for that price consider collectibility and value. To make it short, I love the 5712, but for its price would jump on 5726 due to its complications for price. But at that price range, heck 5711 rose is not too far off. Btw, how can I create put a poll? Thanks in advance my fella watch enthusiasts

27 March 2018, 01:52 AM	#2
thomaspp "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: N/A Posts: 11,136	For years I was in the 5711 camp, but have now been converted to the 5712 side of the world! The dial and 240 microrotor movement in the 5712 are really interesting! "almost impossible to be listed under the waiting list unless you have bought a none popular Patek model from the store you want to purchase from".... wow have things gotten that bad? __________________ Instagram: @watches_anonymous

27 March 2018, 02:43 AM	#7
nyc2la "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Real Name: Stephen Location: Beach Watch: 16660 Posts: 9,176	5712/1a __________________ "Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm." --- RWE

27 March 2018, 02:44 AM	#8
tyler1980 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Houston Posts: 17,622	5712...save the full gold 5711 for later. Your first nautilus really should be in steel __________________ Instagram: tyler.watches current collection: Patek 5164A, Patek 5524G, Rolex Platinum Daytona 116506, Rolex Sea Dweller 43 126600, Rolex GMT II 116710LN, AP 15400ST (silver), Panerai 913, Omega Speedmaster moonwatch, Tudor Black Bay (Harrods Edition)

27 March 2018, 06:53 AM	#25
Hramez "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: planet earth Watch: Patek Philippe Posts: 210	5711/1r vs 5712/1a vs 5726/1a Nautilus for me is 5712 ss & 5711 ss , 5726 for me is a good watch , but for annual calendar there are much better choices in Patek complications pm line So I vote 5712 The 5726 could be an addition to collection Mine for easy reference Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

27 March 2018, 02:07 AM	#4
Russell996 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: UK Posts: 4,173	Go retro in steel PP Neptune 5085. 240 micro rotor, layout as per 5712 and save yourself $25K.

27 March 2018, 02:19 AM	#5
Ahfe "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: US Posts: 214	[QUOTE=Russell996;8419556]Go retro in steel PP Neptune 5085. 240 micro rotor, layout as per 5712 and save yourself $25K. Thought about it to be honest, but Nautilus to Patek, is like the Daytona for rolex, and like the royal oak for the audemars. It's their flagship, and to be honest, I am not glory hunting, I do love the nautilus, and the aquanaut doesn't cut it for me if I really wanted to save. Never the less, that is by far best neptune model

27 March 2018, 03:05 AM	#12
Ahfe "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: US Posts: 214	[QUOTE=Russell996;8419556]Go retro in steel PP Neptune 5085. 240 micro rotor, layout as per 5712 and save yourself $25K. I agree with you, but I feel that Nautilus is the flagship of Patek, just like the Daytona to Rolex and royal oak to AP. Nevertheless, your Neptune is my favorite of its line And to be honest, I am not glory hunting, I do love the nautilus the most, and the aquanaut which is way cheaper is not cutting for me..

27 March 2018, 03:16 AM	#17
sensui 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 12,356	Value retention aside, I like the 5711 or 5712....I still haven't warmed up to the idea of complication in a stainless sport Nautilus case...I prefer the dressier options for that.

27 March 2018, 10:20 AM	#27
Erod24 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Us Posts: 71	What about a 5712r only $3,700 you get a gold watch. Cheaper than a 5726 ss i would say a happy middle of a 5712a and 5711r

27 March 2018, 10:38 AM	#28
Ichiran 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Real Name: Michael Location: Dotonbori Watch: Mostly blue dials Posts: 7,598	I'm going for the 5726. That will be my next watch hopefully

27 March 2018, 11:18 AM	#30
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,220	If you can't buy the 5712 at retail I would go for the 5711R. As for TT, they are just not popular and the spotty bracelet is not well designed unlike the fluid Rolex. In all my time here I can barely remember three TT incomings.

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)