Info on Manual Wind Rolex References & Movements?

[dexvd]

So I would like to do some research on manual wind Rolex watches and maybe pick out a reference to keep an eye out in the future for.

I haven't had much luck searching on google and on here other than the fact that the later Rolex manual movements were cal. 1200, 1210 & 1215 (with date).

Not sure if Rolex can still service these but I have read of difficulty in acquiring parts for these without a Rolex parts account or from the RSC. So before I bought one I would probably check on the RSC's parts supply for servicing these.

Can anyone refer me to maybe a list of the references that used the cal. 1200 and 1210 or if there were later Rolex manual wind movements? I believe the 6424 used one of the above and the 6694 used the 1215 possibly but I was looking for somewhat of a list to reference to help me in looking up potential manual winds, later the better might be preferred if it means better parts availability for servicing.

Any other thoughts or inputs on these movements and the associated watches would be appreciated as well. I love my manual wind Omega CK239, would love to have a similar Rolex.

[R.W.T.]

It's a great movement. It's not chronometer grade but generally does run that well. It's an upgraded 10 1/2 h basically. Not interchangeable parts wise but that's the basic idea.

They made zillions. Not as many as 15xx but LOTS.

It's not particularly hard to find parts for and I think RSC will still do it for you.

One tricky part is the sweep seconds drive wheel. The cases are very shallow and the movement is fairly thick. Sometimes getting that wheel positioned just right height wise is a problem and if it is the slightest bit out of true..it may hit the caseback or barrel bridge. It's a tight fit.

The 1210-1215 are 18000 BPH and the 1220 and 1225 are 19800 BPH.

Wear can be a problem because they run well dry...lol and then they don't.

People just run stuff til it quits.

[dexvd]

Originally Posted by R.W.T.

It's a great movement. It's not chronometer grade but generally does run that well. It's an upgraded 10 1/2 h basically. Not interchangeable parts wise but that's the basic idea.

They made zillions. Not as many as 15xx but LOTS.

It's not particularly hard to find parts for and I think RSC will still do it for you.

One tricky part is the sweep seconds drive wheel. The cases are very shallow and the movement is fairly thick. Sometimes getting that wheel positioned just right height wise is a problem and if it is the slightest bit out of true..it may hit the caseback or barrel bridge. It's a tight fit.

The 1210-1215 are 18000 BPH and the 1220 and 1225 are 19800 BPH.

Wear can be a problem because they run well dry...lol and then they don't.

People just run stuff til it quits.

I wasn't aware of the 1220 and 1225.

Whats the deal with the manual movements used in some of the Cellini watches?

[R.W.T.]

The early manual movements in the Pre Cellini were a Rayville 650. Omega and Piaget also used it. They are ultra thin. Kind of a pain. Contracted and built to Rolex specs but the parts all interchange basically.

The later Cellini's use a 1600 I think. Just a different kind of movement. I'm not sure if they are in house or contracted but if memory serves they are in house.

The 12xx series were just kind of the next phase after the old 10.5. They were manual wind only. The hand wind 1000 was the base calibre of the 1030. Chronometer grade...completely different animal from the 12xx series. The 12xx were workhorse bullet proof hand wind movements. The little Cellini 1600 they are a bit more delicate.

[dexvd]

Originally Posted by R.W.T.

The early manual movements in the Pre Cellini were a Rayville 650. Omega and Piaget also used it. They are ultra thin. Kind of a pain. Contracted and built to Rolex specs but the parts all interchange basically.

The later Cellini's use a 1600 I think. Just a different kind of movement. I'm not sure if they are in house or contracted but if memory serves they are in house.

The 12xx series were just kind of the next phase after the old 10.5. They were manual wind only. The hand wind 1000 was the base calibre of the 1030. Chronometer grade...completely different animal from the 12xx series. The 12xx were workhorse bullet proof hand wind movements. The little Cellini 1600 they are a bit more delicate.

Great to know, will try to look up some more to read on the 1600 movements but definitely feel like my collection could use a piece with a cal. 12xx movement in it.

[offrdmania]

The 6694's have the 1220 movement in the early models and the 1225 in all of the later models

[dexvd]

Originally Posted by offrdmania

The 6694's have the 1220 movement in the early models and the 1225 in all of the later models

Oh I wasn't aware, I thought that the 1220 was a newer version of the 1210 no date movement and the 1225 was the updated version of the 1215 date movement.

I was thinking the 6694 would use the 1215 and 1225

[offrdmania]

You are absolutely correct. I meant to type 1215 for the date. The 1220 was used in the model 6426