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Old 8 December 2019, 03:29 AM   #61
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So if you had adopted this dog and then found out it had a broken jaw and needed surgery, you’d have shot it?
Yes, depending on the cost I might very well have it put to sleep.
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Old 8 December 2019, 03:36 AM   #62
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Humanely like the way Canada Goose treats coyotes?



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I'm not sure if they actually do or not but I do own a few. Nice fur, actually works extremely well. Animal furs properties are better suited to that task than synthetics supposedly.

Have you any idea how many pairs of leather shoes I own. Shocking!!!

Animals have been killed for not only human clothing but it's what we've been eating and sustaining on ever since there has been human beings. Maybe just maybe, if we do it correctly we might able to continue this practice at least until I no longer find it necessary and possibly long after I do...……


Do you own any leather products yourself?
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Old 8 December 2019, 04:01 AM   #63
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I'm not sure if they actually do or not but I do own a few. Nice fur, actually works extremely well. Animal furs properties are better suited to that task than synthetics supposedly.

Have you any idea how many pairs of leather shoes I own. Shocking!!!

Animals have been killed for not only human clothing but it's what we've been eating and sustaining on ever since there has been human beings. Maybe just maybe, if we do it correctly we might able to continue this practice at least until I no longer find it necessary and possibly long after I do...……


Do you own any leather products yourself?
I agree with everything you have posted in this thread. It is how it should be.
Having said that I am too soft to do so and follow the logic. I pay up.
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Old 8 December 2019, 04:05 AM   #64
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I agree with everything you have posted in this thread. It is how it should be.
Having said that I am too soft to do so and follow the logic. I pay up.
Having said all that I've been rather fortunate that my dog who I didn't want initially that became my dog that my wife got has been of good health. However being an old soldier I do have the necessary qualities to make and carry through on tough decisions.
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Old 8 December 2019, 04:11 AM   #65
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I'm not sure if they actually do or not but I do own a few. Nice fur, actually works extremely well. Animal furs properties are better suited to that task than synthetics supposedly.

Have you any idea how many pairs of leather shoes I own. Shocking!!!

Animals skin and fur have been killed for not only human clothing but it's what we've been eating and sustaining on ever since there has been human beings. Maybe just maybe, if we do it correctly we might able to continue this practice at least until I no longer find it necessary and possibly long after I do...……


Do you own any leather products yourself?


If you don't know how Canada Goose sources their coyote fur a quick google search will shed light on their practices.

Correctly clearly means different things to different people. For me correctly harvesting an animal means doing so in such a way as to minimize fear and suffering in the animal.

I do own some leather products, however I'm fairly confident the animals they came from didn't suffer for days in a leg trap before they were killed.

By the way, I was raised by parents that placed a great deal of importance on how a family pet should be treated, or any animal for that matter. I was taught that although they are animals their health and welfare matters because they are an important part of the family. My parents were old school and lived through the great depression.

I've raised my son with those same values.


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Old 8 December 2019, 04:24 AM   #66
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If you don't know how Canada Goose sources their coyote fur a quick google search will shed light on their practices.

Correctly clearly means different things to different people. For me correctly harvesting an animal means doing so in such a way as to minimize fear and suffering in the animal.

I do own some leather products, however I'm fairly confident the animals they came from didn't suffer for days in a leg trap before they were killed.

By the way, I was raised by parents that placed a great deal of importance on how a family pet should be treated, or any animal for that matter. I was taught that although they are animals their health and welfare matters because they are an important part of the family. My parents were old school and lived through the great depression.

I've raised my son with those same values.


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All great to hear and I am extremely happy to know you actually have values. Most people actually do not.

I thoroughly research products based on what product will serve my purposes based on aesthetics, needs, quality, customer service, and appeal.

I do not and have never researched their entire supply chain. I hope they do it reasonably and responsibly and hope to not hear through a documentary much later as is the case with most things that not only they didn't that they actually poisoned a water source like Dupont has for decades and caused disease or suffering later on.

I've seen born again Christians who do not practice Christianity.

I've seen pet owners who treat their pets better than they do other human beings.


I don't demonstrate but I don't personally do things I believe to be unethical. I have a code and a moral compass I live by and I only wish others would have as well but I've seen many that don't.

I value a person based on what they do and not just what they say.
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Old 8 December 2019, 06:29 AM   #67
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Yes, depending on the cost I might very well have it put to sleep.

Well I’m glad he found us rather than you. He’s an amazing dog full of life and so smart. I’d have sold a watch to save him if needed. I guess it’s all about what you prioritize in life.
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Well I’m glad he found us rather than you. He’s an amazing dog full of life and so smart. I’d have sold a watch to save him if needed. I guess it’s all about what you prioritize in life.
Agreed, it does seem that you are happy, your pet is happy, and I am happy. I have nothing against you nor your pet. I have my priorities straight and it seems you do what works best for you as well.
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Old 8 December 2019, 06:53 AM   #69
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Humanely like the way Canada Goose treats coyotes?







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When I was a kid living in northern Nevada, you could hunt coyote without a license anytime of the year. They were considered a nuisance animal. Even offering a bounty at times.

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When I was a kid living in northern Nevada, you could hunt coyote without a license anytime of the year. They were considered a nuisance animal. Even offering a bounty at times.

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Maybe there are some who think they might make a good pet.
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When I was a kid living in northern Nevada, you could hunt coyote without a license anytime of the year. They were considered a nuisance animal. Even offering a bounty at times.
So does that mean a nuisance animal doesn’t deserve to be dispatched quickly and humanely? There’s a difference between a well placed bullet and a leg hold trap. It’s obvious that some people make no such distinctions. I do.


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Wish I had pet insurance. Dog tore her acl. Cost $3,000 to fix. Gotta weight out the cost over time I guess


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So does that mean a nuisance animal doesn’t deserve to be dispatched quickly and humanely? There’s a difference between a well placed bullet and a leg hold trap. It’s obvious that some people make no such distinctions. I do.


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I don't know all of the details but sometimes the cost and time it would take is simply just more than it's worth. It's the practical approach to an issue. Life ain't always easy and those further down the chain pay the price.
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Hi everyone, my wife and I have been toying with the idea of adding a puppy to the household for the kids. They have been asking for a puppy or cat for ever. We might finally be ready to make the move. Those of you who have pets, is having a pet insurance coverage the way to go. If you have it, have you ever used or relied on it. Thanks gang!


So back on topic, we use to have pet insurance with a car and two dogs - a three pet policy. We got some money back for routine exams, etc and then got another car. They didn’t sell 4 pet policies so we could do 3+1 or 2+2, do we kind of lost the volume discount and decided to self insure then by putting the money each month into a separate account. Our finances have improved since then and our rainy day fund will cover most emergencies so we don’t do that anymore.
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So back on topic, we use to have pet insurance with a car and two dogs - a three pet policy. We got some money back for routine exams, etc and then got another car. They didn’t sell 4 pet policies so we could do 3+1 or 2+2, do we kind of lost the volume discount and decided to self insure then by putting the money each month into a separate account. Our finances have improved since then and our rainy day fund will cover most emergencies so we don’t do that anymore.
Your auto (no pun intended) correct is killing me.

As to your current pet insurance strategy ...
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Your auto (no pun intended) correct is killing me.



As to your current pet insurance strategy ...


Cat - car, what’s the difference? LOL
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Cat - car, what’s the difference? LOL
Cat can run over car.

Car can run over cat.

Yeah you're right, no real difference

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So does that mean a nuisance animal doesn’t deserve to be dispatched quickly and humanely? There’s a difference between a well placed bullet and a leg hold trap. It’s obvious that some people make no such distinctions. I do.


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Come on Randy, go start a thread about this and preach it somewhere else. I was getting good info on pet insurance and you managed to sway this.
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Come on Randy, go start a thread about this and preach it somewhere else. I was getting good info on pet insurance and you managed to sway this.
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I have it for my dog because I can’t imagine having to make a decision to pay or not
It’s relatively inexpensive and more manageable on a monthly basis
My dog requires daily eye drops (for life) that cost $400 per Monty yet I am reimbursed 350 from my insurance so the 35 I pay monthly has already paid off immensely

If I didn’t have the insurance I would find a way, but I am fortunate that I have it
So to each his or her own; but for me a real benefit
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I have it for my dog because I can’t imagine having to make a decision to pay or not
It’s relatively inexpensive and more manageable on a monthly basis
My dog requires daily eye drops (for life) that cost $400 per Monty
Can I ask what Rx drops you’re administering?
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I think it is completely breed dependent, to be honest. Many dog breeds are very healthy, especially "muts".

I have two French Bulldogs and I can without hesitation say pet insurance has been worth it. If you can swing a $10k to $20k surprise bill without thinking about it, I would argue it's not something you need and probably worth rolling the dice.

There are "gotchas" though. You must start from a clean bill of health - any sort of pre-existing condition won't be covered.

If anybody is considering pet insurnace, I would go with Healthy Paws. They've been amazing and I would wholeheartedly recommend them.
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