Question on used 16610lv

[edliu97]

I just bought this used 16610lv with series F08xxxx from a seller without guarantee card/paper.

This is standard O
R in oyster sit under the right foot of Rolex R
BUT Swiss made sit between 28 to 32

Doesn't fit in any Mark from what I searched in the web
Any idea ?

[canadianswiss]

Hi there,
This is a three hashes” dial, some call it “between hashes” dial also.
It is none of the first three types of dials used on serials Y, F or extremely early D.

I have a very large database of Kermit watches and I have never seen this dial originally installed in an F serial watch.

Also a pointy four bezel insert showed up on later F serial, typically, I would say, they appear with F5xx. I have no pointy 4 in my database ever recorded with lower serial number than F5.

Unfortunately it looks like a lot of work was done to your watch.

My opinion only.

Best,
:):)




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[joli160]

If you bought it without papers how are you ever going to know it's not a modified Submariner Date instead of a born LV ?
On this model I would have wanted all the papers for me to pay the premium.

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by joli160

If you bought it without papers how are you ever going to know it's not a modified Submariner Date instead of a born LV ?
On this model I would have wanted all the papers for me to pay the premium.

Also, a bit late to be asking questions. Maybe before you bought it, no.
Either enjoy it and move along, or stop right now and get your money back.
I couldn't spend this much money to be riddled with anxiety.

[Kostas]

skinny hands

[Andad]

Originally Posted by Kostas

skinny hands

Indeed it has.

Compare the hands (and marker surrounds?) to mine (a much later M).

[eskiserkan]

Sorry but it is the last Rolex to be bought w/o box & papers.

[DGB]

Something fishy about this LV.


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[jamesthejeweller]

It's a put together job. Avoid

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[Tools]

Without the original papers, there is no way to tell an LV from a modified LN.

In this case, this watch appears to have been modified as F serial LV's have certain characteristics it lacks.

[rootbeer7]

Originally Posted by Tools

Without the original papers, there is no way to tell an LV from a modified LN.

In this case, this watch appears to have been modified as F serial LV's have certain characteristics it lacks.

This

[1665fan]

Get your money back, franken watch. Early F should be flat 4 also

[00Seven]

Yeah. Lots wrong with that watch; hands, dial and the bezel pip looks fake.

[onshow]

Their are only 2 ways to idenify a real 16610LV.

1. Green hang tag stating LV and serial number matches serial number on case between lugs.

2. On very rare occasions you will come across 16610LV stamped on the warranty papers right next to the serial number.

If you dont have any of these dont buy a 16610lv as you just cant authenticate it as a genuine LV.

All the best.

[Andad]

Originally Posted by onshow

Their are only 2 ways to idenify a real 16610LV.

1. Green hang tag stating LV and serial number matches serial number on case between lugs.

2. On very rare occasions you will come across 16610LV stamped on the warranty papers right next to the serial number.

If you dont have any of these dont buy a 16610lv as you just cant authenticate it as a genuine LV.

All the best.

You are missing a few authenticators when idenifying a 11610LV..

[BigBoy17]

Wow that pip looks bad. Crazy glued on?

[onshow]

Originally Posted by directioneng

You are missing a few authenticators when idenifying a 11610LV..

Like what exactly? There is no point going into any other details if you dont have either one of the previous mentioned items. (Green hang tag or LV stamped papers)

[Andad]

Originally Posted by onshow

Like what exactly? There is no point going into any other details if you dont have either one of the previous mentioned items. (Green hang tag or LV stamped papers)

My LV has a green hang tag but this tells us nothing (I have others) and it did not come with stamped papers.

According to you it is not genuine and there is no point in going into any other details....

My pix is in post 6.

[onshow]

Originally Posted by directioneng

My LV has a green hang tag but this tells us nothing (I have others) and it did not come with stamped papers.



According to you it is not genuine and there is no point in going into any other details....



My pix is in post 6.

Yes the green hang tag tells us everything, it states the serial number and LV on it. Without this or the rarely stamped LV on warranty papers there is no way of telling if it’s genuine. It could just be a normal sub with changed dial etc.


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[onshow]

This is why a full set 16610lv fetches such a premium. Without one of the below it is impossible to identify is it’s genuine and not just a normal black sub with changed components.






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[Seibei]

I go on and on about documentation, the full set, papers, documented service, etc. etc.... Do people listen? No.

[Andad]

Originally Posted by onshow

Yes the green hang tag tells us everything, it states the serial number and LV on it. Without this or the rarely stamped LV on warranty papers there is no way of telling if it’s genuine. It could just be a normal sub with changed dial etc.


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I saw your F for sale at Aus$44k.

My LV has a card not papers.

16610V.

Could be you do not have ALL the information to advise me on genuine LV’s.

[Andad]

Originally Posted by Seibei

I go on and on about documentation, the full set, papers, documented service, etc. etc.... Do people listen? No.

Yes you do.

[onshow]

Originally Posted by directioneng

I saw your F for sale at Aus$44k.



My LV has a card not papers.



16610V.



Could be you do not have ALL the information to advise me on genuine LV’s.

Warrant papers/card same, same.

Like I said......

Without these stating LV and serial number or green hang tag stating LV and serial number there is no way of telling it’s genuine.


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[Andad]

You said papers now cards are ok?

Be specific for the members.

My card says 16610V not LV?

So it can be V or LV.

Mine is an M3.....etc.

AND genuine.

[onshow]

Your right I said "warranty papers", for those who didnt catch on this includes "warranty cards" as well.

I repeat for the sake of confusion:

There are only 2 ways to idenify a real 16610LV.

1. Green hang tag stating LV and serial number matches serial number on case between lugs.

2. On very rare occasions you will come across 16610LV stamped on the "warranty papers" right next to the serial number on some Y and F serial watches. For those with the later pointed 4, 16610lv or 16610v will be stamped on your "warranty card".

If you dont have any of these i wouldnt buy a 16610lv as you just cant authenticate it as a genuine LV.

[thesharkfactor]

It’s missing the fat hands. That’s a frankenwatch.

[-Ally-]

Oh dear.

[Chrispare]

Originally Posted by onshow

Your right I said "warranty papers", for those who didnt catch on this includes "warranty cards" as well.

I repeat for the sake of confusion:

There are only 2 ways to idenify a real 16610LV.

1. Green hang tag stating LV and serial number matches serial number on case between lugs.

2. On very rare occasions you will come across 16610LV stamped on the "warranty papers" right next to the serial number on some Y and F serial watches. For those with the later pointed 4, 16610lv or 16610v will be stamped on your "warranty card".

If you dont have any of these i wouldnt buy a 16610lv as you just cant authenticate it as a genuine LV.

Does a Rolex service paper authenticate a genuine lv?

[365DAS]

Originally Posted by thesharkfactor

It’s missing the fat hands. That’s a frankenwatch.

Is any able to show the difference in the hands? I’ve just bought one a couple of days ago and glad to know that everything else I was aware of and it checked out but wasn’t aware about anything to do with hands so just want to put my mind at rest


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