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andyol1966 · 21 February 2018, 06:04 AM

Does anyone know why the lume on the 5167 and 5164 are different? The 5167’s lume is yellowish, whereas the 5164’s lume is white, which I prefer. I am thinking of buying a 5167 (for a second time), however I wish the lume was white like on the 5164. I have a small 6 1/4 inch wrist so prefer the smaller 5167, but that lume? What going on with it? Which lume do you prefer? Any opinions or insight from 5167/4 owners would be appreciated. If they changed the lume on the 5167 to white, it would be perfect. It’s small details like this that can make all the difference for me.

lapince · 21 February 2018, 06:41 AM

Are you sure ? I would imagine they are the same but don’t know, if they are different it is surprising

RussW · 21 February 2018, 07:02 AM

Similar thing to the blue and black 5980. The black dial lume is whiter.

Tay821 · 21 February 2018, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by andyol1966

Does anyone know why the lume on the 5167 and 5164 are different? The 5167’s lume is yellowish, whereas the 5164’s lume is white, which I prefer. I am thinking of buying a 5167 (for a second time), however I wish the lume was white like on the 5164. I have a small 6 1/4 inch wrist so prefer the smaller 5167, but that lume? What going on with it? Which lume do you prefer? Any opinions or insight from 5167/4 owners would be appreciated. If they changed the lume on the 5167 to white, it would be perfect. It’s small details like this that can make all the difference for me.

Sad yet true

2Redbulls · 21 February 2018, 08:31 AM

Damn....I sold my 5167A a few days ago and picked up my 5164A a couple of hours ago. Since I don't have them next to each other, I can't be sure. If there is a difference is must be pretty minor. Assuming we are talking about watches produced in the same time period.

2933340 · 21 February 2018, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by 2Redbulls

Damn....I sold my 5167A a few days ago and picked up my 5164A a couple of hours ago. Since I don't have them next to each other, I can't be sure. If there is a difference is must be pretty minor. Assuming we are talking about watches produced in the same time period.

Hi, do you have any discount for your 5164a?

2Redbulls · 21 February 2018, 09:08 AM

No. I tried. AD claimed to check availability to see if he had another coming or whether there were others for sale in the US. He said based on limited availability and no visibility into when they would get more, he couldn’t offer a discount.

AK797 · 21 February 2018, 09:09 AM

My 64 is white.

2933340 · 21 February 2018, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by 2Redbulls

No. I tried. AD claimed to check availability to see if he had another coming or whether there were others for sale in the US. He said based on limited availability and no visibility into when they would get more, he couldn’t offer a discount.

How long did you wait. My AD told me that there is a one year waiting list.

red1108nyc · 21 February 2018, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 2Redbulls

No. I tried. AD claimed to check availability to see if he had another coming or whether there were others for sale in the US. He said based on limited availability and no visibility into when they would get more, he couldn’t offer a discount.

Congrats bud! I miss the 64 all the time and truly a super piece. Enjoy!

2Redbulls · 21 February 2018, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 2933340

How long did you wait. My AD told me that there is a one year waiting list.

Umm...zero. He had it in stock.

Helmi · 21 February 2018, 02:55 PM

My 64 lume is not white, it is more of greenish shade and not bright as the rolex lume but it is sufficient for me. But I agree the lume is the weak point of the 64 IMHO.

2Redbulls · 21 February 2018, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by red1108nyc

Congrats bud! I miss the 64 all the time and truly a super piece. Enjoy!

Thanks Fred!

Hope your doing well! Don't fret, I'll sell it to you in a few weeks.

GB-man · 21 February 2018, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Redbulls

Umm...zero. He had it in stock.

5164 being scarce is definitely a new concept. Normally I’d laugh but I don’t know where the market is anymore. I’d say we are somewhere between completely insane and eating from the trash bin.

andyol1966 · 21 February 2018, 03:46 PM

Just to clarify,,,,I mean the colour of the hands and markers in normal daylight. On the 5167a in certain lighting the hands are ivory/cream, whereas white on the 5167r and 5164. I’m sure there was an old thread about this fact. When I had my 5167 it used to bug me the hands looked yellowish in certain lighting. I’m surprised there are not more comments confirming this difference. It does seem strange to me why the 5167a hands are a different colour to the 5164. I think I recall someone saying the lume is brighter on the 5167 than the 5164,,,so whether the Ivory colour lume is better in the dark I’m not sure, but I personally would rather white hands on the 5167 and have less bright lume. The Ivory hands have a slight vintage vibe, whereas the white hands are more sporty/ modern. I would send a pic of my old 5167, but I can’t resize the pic.

andyol1966 · 21 February 2018, 04:53 PM

A pic of my old 5167. I’m not sure the “yellowish/Ivory” hands are as obvious in this pic, but in the flesh they are definitely not pure white and this becomes more obvious in certain lighting conditions.

LPPP · 22 February 2018, 12:14 AM

One is white and other has a faint greenish tinge under daylight.
White looks better to me. But just a minor detail. It’s the overall symmetry of 5164 that pleases me.

andyol1966 · 22 February 2018, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by LPPP

One is white and other has a faint greenish tinge under daylight.
White looks better to me. But just a minor detail. It’s the overall symmetry of 5164 that pleases me.

I agree the 5164 is very nice. I am on holiday in Cape Town SA at the moment and there was a guy at the top of table mountain wearing a 5164. I couldn’t help mention it and he showed it to me,,,I was very impressed!
I wonder why the 5167 has a slightly different lume? I wish it was white.

andyol1966 · 23 February 2018, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by LPPP

One is white and other has a faint greenish tinge under daylight.
White looks better to me. But just a minor detail. It’s the overall symmetry of 5164 that pleases me.

Having studied lots of pics, I agree with you, the 5167a lume has a greenish tint, whereas the 5164 is pure white. Anyone any thoughts as to why they did that on the 5167? I had thought it was yellowish/cream but I can see it’s more a green tinge. Not particularly subtle though IMO, it seems very obviously different to the 5164. I’m surprised this difference in lume isn’t discussed more often when comparing the 5167 vs 5164,,,,but maybe I’m just very OCD with watches

walds11 · 23 February 2018, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by andyol1966

Having studied lots of pics, I agree with you, the 5167a lume has a greenish tint, whereas the 5164 is pure white. Anyone any thoughts as to why they did that on the 5167? I had thought it was yellowish/cream but I can see it’s more a green tinge. Not particularly subtle though IMO, it seems very obviously different to the 5164. I’m surprised this difference in lume isn’t discussed more often when comparing the 5167 vs 5164,,,,but maybe I’m just very OCD with watches

I feel you man. I recently sold my 5167A to fund another purchase. Although the green tint of the lume didn’t bother me, it did kind of cheapen the look of the watch. White would look better on this watch.

debner4 · 25 July 2019, 03:22 PM

5167 was C3 Super-Luminova. All other aquanauts (including 5164a and 5167r) were C1 Super-Luminova.

C3 is MUCH brighter.
C1 is MUCH whiter.

As I mentioned in my other post, Patek announced today that all 5167s going forward will be C1 to match the rest of the Aquanauts.

Pro-white = rejoice
Pro-lume = fret

I wonder which version will be more desirable for re-sale value down the road...

GreenLantern · 25 July 2019, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by debner4

Patek announced today that all 5167s going forward will be C1 to match the rest of the Aquanauts.

Out of curiosity, where'd they make this announcement?

Patek Philippe · 25 July 2019, 04:46 PM

New lot from year 2018 onwards lumes are as white as of those 5164. I got one from late 2018 and I can tell the difference right away from my previous 5167 year 2015

Patek Philippe · 25 July 2019, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by debner4

5167 was C3 Super-Luminova. All other aquanauts (including 5164a and 5167r) were C1 Super-Luminova.

C3 is MUCH brighter.
C1 is MUCH whiter.

As I mentioned in my other post, Patek announced today that all 5167s going forward will be C1 to match the rest of the Aquanauts.

Pro-white = rejoice
Pro-lume = fret

I wonder which version will be more desirable for re-sale value down the road...

I do prefer the whiter lumes. It looks more fresh and crisp.

debner4 · 26 July 2019, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Out of curiosity, where'd they make this announcement?

An email was sent to the ADs. I was shown it while at the AD.

Tay821 · 27 July 2019, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Patek Philippe

New lot from year 2018 onwards lumes are as white as of those 5164. I got one from late 2018 and I can tell the difference right away from my previous 5167 year 2015

I've seen a Q4 2018 and it's still got the greenish tint...Must've started this in 2019. I'm still curious to see the 5167 with the white lume and how it compares side to side

Patek Philippe · 27 July 2019, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tay821

I've seen a Q4 2018 and it's still got the greenish tint...Must've started this in 2019. I'm still curious to see the 5167 with the white lume and how it compares side to side

I received my new 5167 in 19 November 2018. I think it starts from this lot.

jay_kay · 27 July 2019, 04:51 PM

Here's my 5167A from December 2017 with clear green C3 lume.

eton97 · 27 July 2019, 05:25 PM

Here my dec18. Definitely white with a blueish tint in the sun

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bonsai-man · 27 July 2019, 06:24 PM

I never really noticed, but to me the C1 white is er too white on the black dial. I prefer the green tint, I think it blends in, it's warmer and more subtle. The white seems to jump out and is much more noticeable. For me the 5167 should fly under the radar, it's why I like it so much.

21 February 2018, 06:04 AM	#1
andyol1966 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: Andy Location: East Midlands, UK Watch: Patek and Rolex Posts: 1,074	5167 vs 5164 lume difference Does anyone know why the lume on the 5167 and 5164 are different? The 5167’s lume is yellowish, whereas the 5164’s lume is white, which I prefer. I am thinking of buying a 5167 (for a second time), however I wish the lume was white like on the 5164. I have a small 6 1/4 inch wrist so prefer the smaller 5167, but that lume? What going on with it? Which lume do you prefer? Any opinions or insight from 5167/4 owners would be appreciated. If they changed the lume on the 5167 to white, it would be perfect. It’s small details like this that can make all the difference for me.

25 July 2019, 03:22 PM	#21
debner4 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: California Posts: 268	Looks like we all know the answer now... 5167 was C3 Super-Luminova. All other aquanauts (including 5164a and 5167r) were C1 Super-Luminova. C3 is MUCH brighter. C1 is MUCH whiter. As I mentioned in my other post, Patek announced today that all 5167s going forward will be C1 to match the rest of the Aquanauts. Pro-white = rejoice Pro-lume = fret I wonder which version will be more desirable for re-sale value down the road...

27 July 2019, 04:51 PM	#28
jay_kay "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Barrowford Watch: Tudor Black Bay 54 Posts: 1,699	Here's my 5167A from December 2017 with clear green C3 lume. __________________ Rolex Explorer 214270, Omega Speedmaster '1957 Relaunch' 3594.50.00, Panerai Luminor 1950 PAM00127-E, Panerai Radiomir 1936 PAM00249-I, Panerai Mare Nostrum PAM00716-T, Panerai PAM00785-Q Set, Panerai Luminor Black Seal PAM00594-Q, Panerai Luminor Daylight PAM00604-Q, Tudor Black Bay 54 79000N, Heuer Carrera Re-Edition CS3113, Hamilton Military W10 & TAG Heuer F1

21 February 2018, 06:41 AM	#2
lapince "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Mars Watch: 5712 Posts: 11,509	Are you sure ? I would imagine they are the same but don’t know, if they are different it is surprising

21 February 2018, 07:02 AM	#3
RussW "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: England Watch: 5990 Posts: 3,339	Similar thing to the blue and black 5980. The black dial lume is whiter.

21 February 2018, 08:31 AM	#5
2Redbulls "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Tom Location: Morgan Hill, CA Watch: I give up.. Posts: 719	Damn....I sold my 5167A a few days ago and picked up my 5164A a couple of hours ago. Since I don't have them next to each other, I can't be sure. If there is a difference is must be pretty minor. Assuming we are talking about watches produced in the same time period.

21 February 2018, 09:08 AM	#7
2Redbulls "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Tom Location: Morgan Hill, CA Watch: I give up.. Posts: 719	No. I tried. AD claimed to check availability to see if he had another coming or whether there were others for sale in the US. He said based on limited availability and no visibility into when they would get more, he couldn’t offer a discount.

21 February 2018, 09:09 AM	#8
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,220	My 64 is white.

21 February 2018, 02:55 PM	#12
Helmi "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: Doha Posts: 2,065	My 64 lume is not white, it is more of greenish shade and not bright as the rolex lume but it is sufficient for me. But I agree the lume is the weak point of the 64 IMHO.

21 February 2018, 03:46 PM	#15
andyol1966 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: Andy Location: East Midlands, UK Watch: Patek and Rolex Posts: 1,074	Just to clarify,,,,I mean the colour of the hands and markers in normal daylight. On the 5167a in certain lighting the hands are ivory/cream, whereas white on the 5167r and 5164. I’m sure there was an old thread about this fact. When I had my 5167 it used to bug me the hands looked yellowish in certain lighting. I’m surprised there are not more comments confirming this difference. It does seem strange to me why the 5167a hands are a different colour to the 5164. I think I recall someone saying the lume is brighter on the 5167 than the 5164,,,so whether the Ivory colour lume is better in the dark I’m not sure, but I personally would rather white hands on the 5167 and have less bright lume. The Ivory hands have a slight vintage vibe, whereas the white hands are more sporty/ modern. I would send a pic of my old 5167, but I can’t resize the pic.

22 February 2018, 12:14 AM	#17
LPPP "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Universe Posts: 87	One is white and other has a faint greenish tinge under daylight. White looks better to me. But just a minor detail. It’s the overall symmetry of 5164 that pleases me.

25 July 2019, 04:46 PM	#23
Patek Philippe "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Thailand Posts: 179	New lot from year 2018 onwards lumes are as white as of those 5164. I got one from late 2018 and I can tell the difference right away from my previous 5167 year 2015

27 July 2019, 05:25 PM	#29
eton97 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: London, UK Watch: DRSD, 1675, 5167a Posts: 243	Here my dec18. Definitely white with a blueish tint in the sun Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

27 July 2019, 06:24 PM	#30
bonsai-man "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: UK Posts: 727	I never really noticed, but to me the C1 white is er too white on the black dial. I prefer the green tint, I think it blends in, it's warmer and more subtle. The white seems to jump out and is much more noticeable. For me the 5167 should fly under the radar, it's why I like it so much.

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