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Old 10 February 2020, 12:47 PM   #1
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GMT II Newer vs. Older (Pros & Cons)

Need a pepsi GMT II and I'm torn on getting the classic brushed steel or the new with the jubilee.



I haven't had a chance to try on or see either in person, but I've read the older (16710) was lighter. I like the look of the brushed bracelet and it obviously a classic.



The newer (126710) sounds like it has a comfortable bracelet and the bezel is cerachrome, instead of aluminium. With the supercase, I imagine it wear a bit larger, which isn't a problem since I have subs with that case and they fit my wrist fine.



Anyone who has both or has gotten rid of one to get the other, I would like to hear your thoughts.
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Old 10 February 2020, 01:25 PM   #2
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I am not a fan of the polished links in the newer bracelet. 16760 all the way. Just one guy's opinion (I don't own either).
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Old 10 February 2020, 01:29 PM   #3
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LOL. 16760 & 116710 neither both are Pepsi.
Anyway never liked the stamped clasp of 5 digit and prefer current models but demand is high and difficult to get unless go grey. Good luck.
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Old 10 February 2020, 01:29 PM   #4
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I wanted/still want the 16760. However, the bracelet was a bit too light for my tastes. I find the newer 116710 to have a better bracelet. I do, however, prefer the case and look of the brushed bracelet on the older models.
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Old 10 February 2020, 01:33 PM   #5
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LOL. 16760 & 116710 neither both are Pepsi.
Anyway never liked the stamped clasp of 5 digit and prefer current models but demand is high and difficult to get unless go grey. Good luck.


You right, got model number mixed. Still would like to hear. Thanks for replies.


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Old 10 February 2020, 01:53 PM   #6
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Being able to change colored inserts on the 16710 was the deciding factor for me.
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Old 10 February 2020, 02:09 PM   #7
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Having tried both a 126710 BLRO/BLNR and 16710 BLRO many times, IMHO they are completely different watches. Just too many significant differences, from supercase to maxi dial/hands to AR on cyclops to movement accuracy and overall wrist presence.

My mind points toward the six digit as the logical choice, but the heart looks towards the five digit. Both will have their advantages and disadvantages. It’s truly hard to argue against the comfort of the 16710, though.
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Old 10 February 2020, 04:25 PM   #8
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Need a pepsi GMT II and I'm torn on getting the classic brushed steel or the new with the jubilee.



I haven't had a chance to try on or see either in person, but I've read the older (16710) was lighter. I like the look of the brushed bracelet and it obviously a classic.



The newer (126710) sounds like it has a comfortable bracelet and the bezel is cerachrome, instead of aluminium. With the supercase, I imagine it wear a bit larger, which isn't a problem since I have subs with that case and they fit my wrist fine.



Anyone who has both or has gotten rid of one to get the other, I would like to hear your thoughts.

Yes...I have owned both GMTs. I wore a Pepsi for 17 years. I also have the newer GMTs. The older GMT is significantly lighter, but the clasp is crap. The newer bracelets are far superior.

But my issue with the newer GMT is that it doesn't sit on my wrist right. The older GMT was much easier to to size with the pins in the clasp. I don't think the newer one is as adjustable. It has 3-pin placements in the clasp.

I like the newer supercase on the modern GMT better.
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Old 10 February 2020, 05:23 PM   #9
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126710 for me.
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Old 10 February 2020, 07:59 PM   #10
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Sign me up for the older versions (1675, 16750/60, 16700/10)
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Old 10 February 2020, 08:38 PM   #11
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For me: 126710blro as a one and only.

That said, maybe someday I’ll build a collection at which point I’d add the 16710.
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Old 10 February 2020, 08:45 PM   #12
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I love the old 5 digit references but also love the modern 6 digit Rolex's references for the build and solid feel.

I got the 126710 BLRO last year and initially didn't like the jubilee so I swapped the bracelet with my Hulk and then went onto buy a 72600 bracelet with explorer clasp for it. Now IMO I have the best of both worlds. Love the feel of it on the Oyster, but have grown to love the new jubilee better. The 126710 BLRO is a very accomplished watch and would the the one I'd keep if I had to have only 1 Rolex.





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Old 10 February 2020, 08:46 PM   #13
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Great topic.

I currently got a 16710 P Series in Coke/Black bezel and I absolutely love it. As I like much more vintage, my opinion would be biaised but anyway.

I also have in my collection the 126710 Batman with jubilé bracelet...which is cool, but I rather prefer the lighter bracelet Oyster or Jubilé on my vintage GMT.

My grail watch would be a genuine 1675 in perfect condition or a 16760 from 1985 (birth year), but since I am on the waiting list for the 126710BLRO...


To me, GMT is a great Rolex line, my favourite by the way, and you can't go wrong with either vintage 1675, 16750, 16700, 16760 or even a 16710 which a great, really great choices, the newer models are also cool, a bit bigger and heavier than the old models but really cool to wear.

Once again, it is all about taste...
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Old 10 February 2020, 08:59 PM   #14
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See my avatar. What I want to see when looking at a GMT. All the colour nonsense with the new one - Do I have a Mk 1234? Is it nearly a coke, rarity of the early dodgy purple one.. Maxi everything. No thank you. Just my take.
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Old 10 February 2020, 09:09 PM   #15
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I didn't care for the first 126710 when i saw at an AD basel release party back in '18. It didn't sing on the wrist for me. Not a big jubilee fan either. Went for a 116710 instead then to cure the pepsi itch i recently picked up a late F ser. 16710 after looking patiently for a year as prices kept rising. They've seemed to stabilize a little lately. I'm loving these.

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Old 10 February 2020, 09:50 PM   #16
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I love the old 5 digit references but also love the modern 6 digit Rolex's references for the build and solid feel.

I got the 126710 BLRO last year and initially didn't like the jubilee so I swapped the bracelet with my Hulk and then went onto buy a 72600 bracelet with explorer clasp for it. Now IMO I have the best of both worlds. Love the feel of it on the Oyster, but have grown to love the new jubilee better. The 126710 BLRO is a very accomplished watch and would the the one I'd keep if I had to have only 1 Rolex.





That’s an interesting bracelet modification. I would imagine the glidelock clasp would’ve been too large feeling so the Explorer clasp would be the perfect compromise
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Old 10 February 2020, 10:15 PM   #17
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Both are great watches but I favor the six-digit models. I like the ceramic bezel and better clasp/bracelet.
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Old 10 February 2020, 10:20 PM   #18
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That’s an interesting bracelet modification. I would imagine the glidelock clasp would’ve been too large feeling so the Explorer clasp would be the perfect compromise
Yeah the Sub clasp felt huge, its very long in comparison to the Explorer clasp. Along with braclelt I bought a full bezel assembly from a 116710 with the black ceramic insert. A local watch repairer is happy to swap and change the bezels for me when I fancy so it really is the best of both worlds.
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Old 10 February 2020, 11:58 PM   #19
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I had both. Here are my thoughts for you.

2002, bought my first GMT-Master II 16710BLRO. Beautiful watch! I wore it everyday for 14 years. Wore a Tudor Submariner prior to that for 12 years. Both watches were similar. Oyster case & bracelet, aluminum bezel insert... etc.
Work, play, whatever. Both wore well, however...
Five years after I bought the GMT-Master II 16710BLRO, I noticed the red color of the bezel fade to a salmonish pink. WTF!
That was something I didn't know about and was very disappointed over. Really disappointed actually. This was a Freak'n expensive watch to have such a visual flaw!

2007, The New Ceramic bezel had been released. impervious to UV light. No more fading! Total product improved GMT-Master II.
New larger Case, improved movement, maxi-dial, trip-lock winding crown, re-designed oyster bracelet, and newly designed clasp.

I had given some serious thought to sell both the Tudor Sub and the GMT Master II 16710 in order to fund the now more expensive, New Ceramic GMT. I waited, and glad I did!

2013, the 116710BLNR was released.
Everything I thought about the product improved watch and ceramic bezel was back; With the ceramic Bezel color of blue and black.

I bought the BLNR, and I kept the 16710 as a daily wearer. I enjoy both watches. They do wear differently. The 116710, is a bigger, slightly taller, and heavier watch, and fits me great.

Both references have their place with Rolex watch wearers, so I recommend trying on both and decide on which you like better.
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Myself not a fan of the ceramic models, IMHO ceramic way overrated and over priced if you ever mark of break it.And at the moment the 32 series movements have a few problems, and could take a few years to be on par in in the overall reliability department.Now the 16710 is a bit more versatile easy to change inserts, get all 3 then have 3 different watches for the price of one, and inserts cost around $75 instead of the silly money ceramic inserts cost around $320 and not a DIY change
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Old 11 February 2020, 12:15 AM   #21
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There are 3 main deal breakers for me that the 16710 satisfies that the 126710 doesnt. I own the former my brother owns the latter.

1) I have v skinny wrists, 6.25 inches. The 16710 just sits way better than the new maxi case
2) I have all 3 inserts and both bracelets for it. This versatility is unmatched. There are days when Pepsi gets too loud and i want to go with a more sub like look (the switch takes 5 mins). I swap bracelets out every 3 months. It's quite a bit of fun playing with this. I may get some faded inserts soon
3) I currently work in India, just about every other country is a 30 min offset and the old bezel with 120 clicks allows for this calibration. The new 24 click bezel doesnt and you have to add/ subtract 30 mins in your head again. I really dont understand why Rolex made the bezel 24 click. If you are in one of the handful of countries with a 30 min offset, the gmt function is useless. For people in regular 60min offset time zone places you may never experience this issue.

There are some other things that I dont care about but are interesting nevertheless.
The old papers have some more 'character' to them for some reason. The clasp while looking cheapish is stamped to resemble the oyster bracelet, something I quite like.
If you mess up the bezel, a new one will set you back only 40 bucks. Every AD I've been to wants to see my watch. When I wear the 126710, im mostly asked how long I waited

Some things I dont like about the 16710... The clasp feels cheap. It felt cheap when I bought it 15yrs ago and i was wondering wtf this is. That being said, it is functionally sound with zero issues. The old jubilee has hollow end links so little rattley.

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Old 11 February 2020, 12:19 AM   #22
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Thanks a ton for the responses - all were appreciated. I'm trying to locate a new BLRO (I know, good luck!) and the older model so I can physically try on and play with both.

Knowing the above will be more of a longterm goal, I appreciate hearing from users of both because, despite watching multiple videos on the subject, there were quite a few comments/observations I've never heard anyone mention. Certainly it speaks to the wealth of knowledge here, so thank you.
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