Tudor Service No Longer Mandates Movement Replacement?

[No SUBctitute]

Originally Posted by padi56

Have to agree Dan but today the net thrives on speculation no one is interested in facts.

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We are speculating because we don't know. But we are very interested in the facts.

[SearChart]

Originally Posted by No SUBctitute

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We are speculating because we don't know. But we are very interested in the facts.

They're being swapped, that is your fact right there.

[SearChart]

And here is proof.

[mgsooner]

And we're done here.

[Bizcut1]

Originally Posted by Chewbacca

This is the general 'What we do' jargon.

Tudor has many calibres that are still being made and repaired so this covers their a__ and if the calibre is replaced, I'm sure it'll say so on the RO.

fwiw, a replacement costs less on that new inhouse calibre than a rebuild so why not just recycle them and study them for Quality Control.

This is what happens when you let lawyers fix watches.

[SearChart]

Originally Posted by mgsooner

And we're done here.

I hope so. It's not the first time I had to explain this, and probably not the last time either...

Now with solid proof I hope they finally get it...

[Finslayer83]

Originally Posted by SearChart

And here is proof.

Clearly a Photoshop job

[kieselguhr]

Originally Posted by SearChart

I hope so. It's not the first time I had to explain this, and probably not the last time either...



Now with solid proof I hope they finally get it...

It’s like the guys who constantly make unsubstantiated claims like wearing your Rolex in a shower is bad. It doesn’t matter how much conclusive evidence you present them, they will still insist. Thank you for sharing Bas. You are an invaluable resource to the forum

[NoVaSubowner]

Originally Posted by SearChart

And here is proof.

Makes me glad I turned down a BNIB BB GMT at an AD today. Part of the fun of having a mechanical watch for me goes out the window if the movement is outright replaced at a major service.

[CedCraig]

A Rolex-trained watchmaker in the thread „Differences between Rolex and Tudor movements“ stated that Tudor swaps out refurbished movements, rather than servicing „your“ movement.

So, the Tudor service center apparently takes „your“ MT movement, subs in a refurbished movement, then services „your“ movement, which will in turn get put into the next Tudor that‘s returned for service. In theory, that method should shorten service turn-around times, but „your“ Tudor now does not have the original movement. Seems like some people care, some don‘t.

If my original Tudor was running say, +1 consistently, but came back from servicing running -4 or +6 (i.e., within spec) I‘d be disappointed. Although if it was running that well I‘m not sure why it would need to be serviced. However, eventually watches do need service.

[Ruddiger]

Originally Posted by SearChart

I hope so. It's not the first time I had to explain this, and probably not the last time either...

Now with solid proof I hope they finally get it...

Howdy,

Bas, sorry for beating a dead horse, but I assume this is a Tudor specific policy and not what Rolex does?

In other words, when you service a Rolex movement, does the exact same movement go back into the exact same watch it came out of?

Take care,

Ruddiger

[AJMarcus]

Originally Posted by NoVaSubowner

Makes me glad I turned down a BNIB BB GMT at an AD today. Part of the fun of having a mechanical watch for me goes out the window if the movement is outright replaced at a major service.

I agree. The movement is the heart and soul of the watch. Otherwise, buy a quartz. It will never be a vintage watch if the movement is replaced. The value will reflect that. Also, it reveals how expendable those movements really are.

[timy]

I feel a bit scammed tbh, and it has made me doubt my other watches, I have a couple of 2020 Tudor Prince Dates, do these have a Sellita movement rather than an ETA, Will I get a Sellita in exchange my an ETA upon service.

As for my black bays with MT movement, they are for sale as we speak.

[sambb]

clarification - so if someone sends their watch to tudor for routine service, the movement gets swapped? or cleaned and lubed? or unknown? And is the GMT different from the others? or do we just not even know.

[SearChart]

Originally Posted by sambb

clarification - so if someone sends their watch to tudor for routine service, the movement gets swapped? or cleaned and lubed? or unknown? And is the GMT different from the others? or do we just not even know.

If you read the thread you will find your answer.

[SearChart]

Originally Posted by Ruddiger

Howdy,

Bas, sorry for beating a dead horse, but I assume this is a Tudor specific policy and not what Rolex does?

In other words, when you service a Rolex movement, does the exact same movement go back into the exact same watch it came out of?

Take care,

Ruddiger

Yes, in a Rolex your movement will be serviced and you will get that very one back.

[Onikage]

Anything even the slightest bit worn will be replaced. I'd imagine... Although some beaten to crap movements still run OK..

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by AJMarcus

I agree. The movement is the heart and soul of the watch. Otherwise, buy a quartz. It will never be a vintage watch if the movement is replaced. The value will reflect that. Also, it reveals how expendable those movements really are.

Some movements are more expendable than others.
Especially as there are cheap Selita and Seagulls etc etc around.
But it's not like they are throwing your Tudor movements away. It's just a different servicing model that is designed to streamline the servicing process.
Let's face it, if a movement is tested at COSC and then put into any case as it comes along down the line with no further tests performed on the whole assembly, then what does it matter.
Especially if the case and movement don't share a serial number anyway

This expectation that a movement that's born into you watch gets serviced and put back into the case is a carry over from the very earliest of times.
Especially if it shares a serial number.
And yet, way back in the day when pocket watches were all the go, a customer would choose a movement and a case that suited their budget and the 2 components were married up by the watchmaker and off one went to enjoy their timepiece for life without any further though about it.
And they serviced them whenever the watch was playing up, broken or every 3 years if they could afford it.

The world has changed and we have to accept the good with the bad as enjoyable or disappointing as it may be.
Buy what makes you happy.
To that, I'm convinced that the vast majority of consumers outside these watch forums, wouldn't know what was in their watch let alone the well entrenched and accepted expectations around servicing.
On other forums I see people who can't even competently wind a manual wind watch from a standstill.
Or more universally, monitor the timekeeping of a watch without the assistance of an app

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by SearChart

Yes, in a Rolex your movement will be serviced and you will get that very one back.

Precisely.
And a premium service naturally costs more so expectations must fully match the desired outcome.
Replaced movement running to COSC specs with quicker servicing turn around, vs original movement retained with worn out parts routinely replaced(like grandfathers axe) and running between + or - 2 seconds per day with a longer turn around in this fast paced world.
Then there's other high end brands other than Rolex that take much longer for servicing and charge even more.
Some actually have restoration divisions dedicated to servicing their vintage watches and others further still who are dedicated to even re-making parts for any watch or movement they have made in the past(but one will pay for the privelidge).

Perhaps we seriously need to think of spliting out this modern Tudor watch business and creating a sub forum from the Rolex forum completely as the watches are essentially chalk and cheese
Peoples expectations are being confused and it's causing unnecessary angst.

[sambb]

i was a fan of tudor, but considering selling now. Between movement changes at the GMT date issue, seems like omega might be a reasonable alternative.

[watchmavan]

Originally Posted by sambb

i was a fan of tudor, but considering selling now. Between movement changes at the GMT date issue, seems like omega might be a reasonable alternative.

Yep. Cut off your Jose to spite g your face... Good idea.


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[18078pres]

swapping a watches movement with a another when it comes to service cheapens the brand in my mind give me another brand at the same price point that OVERHAULS THEIR MOVEMENT gets my money

[Dan Pierce]

Many heroic statements from men in defense of their trinkets.
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