2 Iconic pieces

[lapince]

I know this has been a recurrent subject here, but I wanted to know what do you think of these 2 pieces, knowing that they are the 2 Genta Icons, of course the RO is much closer to the original, as far as I know the new model is practically the same as the original but with a see through case back, whereas the Nautilus is quite different, the original didn't have a seconds hand, and the case back was also non transparent.

I remember when I started to look into AP and PP, around 1,5 years ago, the 2 were priced very differently, the 5711 much more expensive, but now when I look on Chrono 24 it still is but the difference is much less than before.

Strangely enough when I see both on pics but separately I tend to find the RO more beautiful, but when I see both next to each other on the same pic, maybe Ken could post one or two as I know he has some, I find the Nautilus more beautiful.

Of course the RO is more industrial and more sporty looking, when the 5711 is IMHO pure class and elegance.

It seems that Genta told that he was happier with the RO than the Naut, what is sure is that both are great looking, of course the blue dial does it all, I don't like them very much when they are another color.

For me the fact that the RO is without the seconds hands is hard as I like to see the watch "living", in fact it's quite strange that they would do at the time a "sports" watch without the seconds hand, ok it's not a chrono but having a seconds hand on a sport watch seems to me to be the minimum.

I almost got a 15300 blue dial before I got my 5712, had it on order, from 2009 in excellent condition for 8.900 euros, but I got a great price on a Blancpain that I was also looking at and took the BP, and shortly after that I got the 5712.

Anyways here are a few pics for your viewing pleasure and would like to know what you think about them, again I know that this has been already talked about but it seems that the RO is not so in demand as the 5711, on the AP section there are very few incomings for it, whereas 1 year ago there seemed to be plenty of them…

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[lmcgbaj]

Royal Oak is the original.

However, neither 15202, nor 5711 are the true original designs.

The case design has changed and in the case of the Nauti, the movement has changed.

I would say 15202 is the most "true" to the original.

[GB-man]

15202 is clearly more original. I prefer it also as I like the date window matching the dial.

[SearChart]

The Royal Oak is probably more iconic and original but I really like the look of the 5711 (both blue and white).

[Zuger]

Both models have deviated somewhat from the original Genta design so if one is looking for true Genta, neither fit the description. That then begs the question, do I want a AP SS or Patek SS?

Personally I prefer to get the Pateks in precious metal with more complication than a date. AP, I would be ok getting it in SS with two/three hands and a date. If I am being forced to choose one of these two, I would pick Patek.

[kilyung]

Patek for me

[subtona]

For the purpose of the poll I chose the AP, I don't believe there is a contest as far as who has more lineage to their original. The AP has the original movement and the dial is close to the original as you can ask for.

But after owning it I found the very things that kept it so inline with the original detracted from the use that I wanted to give it.

Now owning the 5711 there is no looking back, it is the watch to own imho.
It's water resistance and quickset date have cinched that decision for me, And then there is the legibility and beauty of the Patek dial, the AP cannot match it, the blue 5711 dial is captivating in almost any light, while I found the AP dial to be often lacking.

Of course jmho

Ps I also prefer the clasp of the Patek as the springs in the AP closure do not feel as secure as Pateks closure.

[lapince]

Originally Posted by lmcgbaj

Royal Oak is the original.

I would say 15202 is the most "true" to the original.

Of course RO was first, and yes the Ro is the closest to the 1st ones

Originally Posted by GB-man

15202 is clearly more original. I prefer it also as I like the date window matching the dial.

Well I meant close to the original models but you're right it is more original, 5711 is less aggressive

Originally Posted by SearChart

The Royal Oak is probably more iconic and original but I really like the look of the 5711 (both blue and white).

I prefer blue 5711 but the blue RO kills white 5711 for me Bas..

Originally Posted by Zuger

Personally I prefer to get the Pateks in precious metal with more complication than a date. AP, I would be ok getting it in SS with two/three hands and a date. If I am being forced to choose one of these two, I would pick Patek.

Well I got Patek SS with complications, I love the 5712 and prefer it to the 5711 but when there are some super pics of the 5711 for a second I think maybe I should have gotten it, but that just last 1 second

Originally Posted by kilyung

Patek for me

Me too

Originally Posted by subtona

Now owning the 5711 there is no looking back, it is the watch to own imho.
It's water resistance and quickset date have cinched that decision for me, And then there is the legibility and beauty of the Patek dial, the AP cannot match it, the blue 5711 dial is captivating in almost any light, while I found the AP dial to be often lacking.

Of course jmho

Ps I also prefer the clasp of the Patek as the springs in the AP closure do not feel as secure as Pateks closure.

I agree 100%, for me if you like Nautilus models you should have one of these 2, 5711/5712, for me they are the "normal" Nautilus models in the sense that these watches were ultra thin, and after you have the other models which are completely different watches IMO, my 5726 is almost like a Rolex compared to the 5712, and I know it's not the bulkiest of the Nauts

[Racerdj]

Patek is my choice and since Gus owns a 5711 and prefers it after ownership experiences says a lot.

[mps354]

5711 for me

[CWIN]

I've never owned a 15202 but I chose the 5711 and now a 5712. No regrets

[DECR]

AP Jumbo for me, tried both and went for it. The RO tappiserie, the bracelet, the iconic bezel, the original movement, the bold move AP made back in 1972 that it represents do it for me. Not to say the 5711 is not a beauty itself but the AP Jumbo is the steel HH luxury sport watch.

[AK797]

Originally Posted by subtona

Now owning the 5711 there is no looking back, it is the watch to own imho.
It's water resistance and quickset date have cinched that decision for me, And then there is the legibility and beauty of the Patek dial, the AP cannot match it, the blue 5711 dial is captivating in almost any light, while I found the AP dial to be often lacking.

I think there is not much in it but I like a seconds hand and agree with Gus that the blue dial of the Nautilus is more dynamic than the ROs but it's not quite at the P's level. I prefer the rotor and clasp on the AP but PP shades it overall.

[mikeceee]

I have owned a 15202 and a 5726/1a. I personally was not super impressed with the comfort of the 15202. I didn't really like the non seconds hand. The finishing is excellent. Further complicating matters is the fact that a 15400 is way cheaper where as there is no alternative nautilus for significantly cheaper. I would lean towards PP in this case.

[dchang81]

Kind of nitpicky, but i'd get the 15202 in a heartbeat if it had more water resistance. I want my sport steel watch to be able to go in the pool without issue.

[Demonoid]

Pp.

[subtona]

This

Ps to avoid confusion your AP pics are showing the 40 anniversary AP dial with pics of the pre anniversary rotor.
I prefer the way the AP lays on my wrist (results will vary with user) and I especially like the color matched date wheel on the AP.
But still I choose the patek

[incontrol]

Between the two, it is real hard not to pick the 5711.

[Hairdude1]

I love my 5711 but when I think of the "Original" I would vote AP

[Rogdogg]

The Patek for me.

[redsubby]

Is it just me or is this poll turning into which one do you prefer?

[polarinda]

15202 more close to original.

I'll take the PP because of the second hand.

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by redsubby

Is it just me or is this poll turning into which one do you prefer?

Yeah it's kinda structured that way because the poll asks for the iconic genta and the post asks for you to elaborate on your favorite amongst the two.

Either way, not sure anyone could call the 5711 more iconic genta than the RO. It's just silly. However, I can see many preferring it for the various reasons outlined above.

[GB-man]

Wanted to add that upon researching these watches
I came across the following point that I quite enjoyed. With regards to the lack of seconds hand on the 15202....the man said he felt it slowed time down, not seeing the seconds flying by...sounded romantic and cool whereas before I thought how lifeless.

[polarinda]

Originally Posted by GB-man

Wanted to add that upon researching these watches
I came across the following point that I quite enjoyed. With regards to the lack of seconds hand on the 15202....the man said he felt it slowed time down, not seeing the seconds flying by...sounded romantic and cool whereas before I thought how lifeless.

not to mention the anxiety over its rotor's status at any point in time.

[de66]

Poll: Royal Oak was the original and the one Genta was most proud of. Nautilus came two years later.
I prefer the Nautilus for its looks, not too much of a fan of the tapisserie style RO dial.

[Cru Jones]

there's a difference between most iconic genta and which i prefer, but, for the poll, the RO for sure.

[lapince]

Originally Posted by redsubby

Is it just me or is this poll turning into which one do you prefer?

Yep seems it is…

Originally Posted by de66

Poll: Royal Oak was the original and the one Genta was most proud of. Nautilus came two years later.
I prefer the Nautilus for its looks, not too much of a fan of the tapisserie style RO dial.

Yes I know Genta preferred the RO and of course it was before the Naut, definitely closer to the original spirit than the Naut, but if I am asked I take the Patek

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

there's a difference between most iconic genta and which i prefer, but, for the poll, the RO for sure.

Agree that the RO is much closer to the original one, whereas the 5711 is quite different

[kilyung]

The only logical solution is to get the 5711/1a and the 15202or.

[AK797]

Originally Posted by kilyung

The only logical solution is to get the 5711/1a and the 15202or.

Well now you can reverse that too.