Blue dial 5960p vs 5905p?

[jd57]

Haven't been able to see the 5905 in the metal - on a list with my AD and am guessing sometime in calendar 2016 but not a certainty. The 5960p blue dial is pretty sweet and they are available. Am interested in opinions from those who have seen both. Of note, I sold my 5205R because it seemed small and thick. The 5960 has a bit bigger dial and the pushers give it better proportions than the 5205, but certainly the 5905 will wear bigger. Thoughts?

[Miami Manny]

Why would you consider the 5960? It is discontinued, the prices on the used market have done nothing but plummet and are now being offered at 50k which is nearly a 50% discount from retail price.

5905 all day every day, this is a no brainer.

[JJ WA]

5905 must be great. I would wait. I like the 5960 too but the 5905 seems nicer IMHO and I wouldn't risk regretting a purchase at this price level (not that the 5960 isn't nicer, but if you buy it and then realized you'd rather have the 5905, that would be bad).

[martinr]

I tried on the 5905 and its larger than the 5960, too big for my 6 1/2" wrist, the lugs hung over, it's also pretty thick so it could get banged pretty easily. 5960 you get better chrono counter, power reserve, and I think it looks sportier, the 5905 is dressy.

[dom007]

Personally, I much more prefer the manually wound 5170G over the references 5905 and 5960.

The movement, case, dial, size and thickness, i.e. everything of the 5170 is superior imho.

[soundserious]

Originally Posted by dom007

Personally, I much more prefer the manually wound 5170G over the references 5905 and 5960.

The movement, case, dial, size and thickness, i.e. everything of the 5170 is superior imho.

great, but the op isn't asking about the 5170...

[nyc2la]

I've seen and tried on both at an AD. Both are very nice, but both are very thick, IMHO. I like the size of the 5960p better if I had to choose between the two. Before deciding, try them on as many times as possible to make sure the thickness is acceptable to you.

Good luck!

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by Miami Manny

Why would you consider the 5960? It is discontinued, the prices on the used market have done nothing but plummet and are now being offered at 50k which is nearly a 50% discount from retail price.

5905 all day every day, this is a no brainer.

While I also tend to like the latest stuff consider this.

Typically buying at 50% off is good and one might expect the 5905 to behave similarly, in which case ouch.

That said, I like the 5905 aesthetically speaking as I'm not fond of the pushers on the 5960.

[Vipes]

Originally Posted by nyc2la

I've seen and tried on both at an AD. Both are very nice, but both are very thick, IMHO. I like the size of the 5960p better if I had to choose between the two. Before deciding, try them on as many times as possible to make sure the thickness is acceptable to you.

Good luck!

+1. I love the 5960P in blue dial but the thickness prevents me from getting it.

[subtona]

Originally Posted by dom007

Personally, I much more prefer the manually wound 5170G over the references 5905 and 5960.

The movement, case, dial, size and thickness, i.e. everything of the 5170 is superior imho.

Have to agree...

For that matter your exquisite 5950 avatar would be my choice

[subtona]

Originally Posted by nyc2la

I've seen and tried on both at an AD. Both are very nice, but both are very thick, IMHO. I like the size of the 5960p better if I had to choose between the two. Before deciding, try them on as many times as possible to make sure the thickness is acceptable to you.

Good luck!

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[lmcgbaj]

Originally Posted by Miami Manny

Why would you consider the 5960? It is discontinued, the prices on the used market have done nothing but plummet....

Why? This is exactly why....

Get it used grey dial in the 45-50k MINT complete and you got a fantastic watch.

[lmcgbaj]

Originally Posted by GB-man

Typically buying at 50% off is good and one might expect the 5905 to behave similarly, in which case ouch.

Exactly.

[gummy]

I have to say I love the 5960 - one of my all time favorites.

Had a chance to play with 5905 at an AD in SLC while traveling.

It was a black dial and I thought the size was awesome and it wore perfectly on my 7-ish inch wrist.

Love the presence and the way it looked.

Size and pushers being the main difference between the two...

If I remember correctly it was a 79k retail? Vs 95k last retail on 5960. But as many have said the 5960 can be had easily in the 50k range.

[AK797]

5905.

[conkers]

Originally Posted by lmcgbaj

Why? This is exactly why....

Get it used grey dial in the 45-50k MINT complete and you got a fantastic watch.

45k really? I haven't seen them that low. It is a great price if you can get one at that.

I owned the 5960p black dial and definitely prefer the fit and design of the 5905.

[el1125]

5905

[Miami Manny]

Previous poster responded: Get it used grey dial in the 45-50k MINT complete and you got a fantastic watch.

Ok, agreed it is a fantastic watch that with all certainty will only continue to depreciate. Almost no PP's sell for 50% off of retail preowned and especially ones that have been discontinued. Discontinued models tend to appreciate, but the 5960's have just continued to fall. I've never witnessed anything like that.

The 5905, apart from the cosmetic differences of square pushers, larger size etc, has a much better chance of retaining its value and possibly APPRECIATING when it is discontinued.

I cannot grasp how a watch that is essentially a dog is a "steal" at 50% off of retail. Its not a steal if no one wants it. I project the watch to be selling in the low 40's by the end of the year because there are so many for sale and so few buyers that dealers will ultimately take a beating to free up cash to buy watches they can make a profit on.

[cervantes]

I had the 5905 black dial on my wrist yesterday. And I owned the 5205 in the past. The 5905 didn't wow me. The font on the sub-dial seemed too bold in regards to the other aspects of the watch, and the weight and thickness were considerable. Perfectly nice watch, but nothing about it sung to me. I prefer the parents - 5205 and 5960.

[Ilovewatches]

Originally Posted by Miami Manny

Previous poster responded: Get it used grey dial in the 45-50k MINT complete and you got a fantastic watch.

Ok, agreed it is a fantastic watch that with all certainty will only continue to depreciate. Almost no PP's sell for 50% off of retail preowned and especially ones that have been discontinued. Discontinued models tend to appreciate, but the 5960's have just continued to fall. I've never witnessed anything like that.

The 5905, apart from the cosmetic differences of square pushers, larger size etc, has a much better chance of retaining its value and possibly APPRECIATING when it is discontinued.

I cannot grasp how a watch that is essentially a dog is a "steal" at 50% off of retail. Its not a steal if no one wants it. I project the watch to be selling in the low 40's by the end of the year because there are so many for sale and so few buyers that dealers will ultimately take a beating to free up cash to buy watches they can make a profit on.

Can you post a link to a 5960 blue dial available at 50% off?
I know the grey dial is around at 50k, but the blue dial? I don't think so.

[Miami Manny]

You will notice that nearly all sellers list a price and "best offer" so, it isn't really fair to say that none are listed at 50% off but you can bet that if you send them an offer of $50k they will accept. I am not in the market for one or in the business of wasting time asking for a discount knowing that I am not interested in buying it but, go ahead and try any one of these sellers and see..

Asking 69,999 about 30% off and accepting offers..
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Patek-Philip...AAAOSwEeFVQj1B

Asking $61,000 about 38% off
http://www.chrono24.com/en/patekphil...-id4050094.htm

Asking $64,900 about 34% off
http://www.chrono24.com/en/patekphil...-id4050977.htm

I won't disagree with you that the blue dials are trading at a premium to the grey dials, they always did as blue dial and PP are considered their "classic" combination and have always commanded a premium. It is my opinion that the blue dials were also produced in limited numbers when compared to the grey dials which had a longer production run. They are also the color that PP uses almost exclusively on their platinum/wg models so that could also be a factor.

[texex91]

5906 in a second. The pushers alone are worth it and not to mention new price point.

[jd57]

Thickness per se doesn't bother me and sportiness of the 5960 is for me a plus. Am worried about whether the dial will feel too small. Have a number of Chronos over 13mm and they fit fine - including this one.

[Commonproject]

Originally Posted by jd57

Thickness per se doesn't bother me and sportiness of the 5960 is for me a plus. Am worried about whether the dial will feel too small. Have a number of Chronos over 13mm and they fit fine - including this one.

that looks awesome. which ref is that?

[GB-man]

I think it's a mistake to assume a modern Patek will appreciate aside from a handful of exceptions. If you buy a 5905 anywhere near retail, I would guess it will cost you tens of thousands over the next 5 years.

[texex91]

Originally Posted by Commonproject

that looks awesome. which ref is that?

ALS Datogaph Up/Down

[martinr]

After seeing the datograph on your wrist the 5960 dial would be way too small. You could easily wear the 5905. My opinion has changed.

[jd57]

Originally Posted by GB-man

I think it's a mistake to assume a modern Patek will appreciate aside from a handful of exceptions. If you buy a 5905 anywhere near retail, I would guess it will cost you tens of thousands over the next 5 years.

While it is painful to see your watch lose value at re-sale, I don't buy to flip. To the extent one does sell a piece, Patek rivals Rolex for retaining value. When I sold my 5205R I got 80% of what I paid and I sold it back to an AD! If I had sold it on my own I could have gotten 90%. Suspect that is more the rule than the exception with PP.

Originally Posted by martinr

After seeing the datograph on your wrist the 5960 dial would be way too small. You could easily wear the 5905. My opinion has changed.

Thank you - that is my concern as well. I will definitely wait to see a 5905 in the metal.

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by jd57

While it is painful to see your watch lose value at re-sale, I don't buy to flip. To the extent one does sell a piece, Patek rivals Rolex for retaining value. When I sold my 5205R I got 80% of what I paid and I sold it back to an AD! If I had sold it on my own I could have gotten 90%. Suspect that is more the rule than the exception with PP.



Thank you - that is my concern as well. I will definitely wait to see a 5905 in the metal.

Agreed if you buy to keep you will always be happier in this hobby. I envy those who sell nothing and only add.

That said, I think the 5205r is the exception and not the rule with PP. As I believe Ken (HL65) has put it in the past, patek can be a tale of two cities. The 5205r enjoys strong demand alongside a handful of others like the 5711/5167 and the obvious home runs 5131 etc.

In retrospect tens of thousands sounds steep but I have no doubt you could lose 10-15k.

[el1125]

Originally Posted by martinr

After seeing the datograph on your wrist the 5960 dial would be way too small. You could easily wear the 5905. My opinion has changed.

This