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Fred48 · 16 April 2021, 03:25 PM

Is a refurbished vintage rolex (e.g., rolex martini) considered a fake? At what point would it become a fake?

Thanks

springer · 16 April 2021, 03:46 PM

A Rolex Martini is a modified 116520 with a black finish to the case and bracelet which is not vintage and was not modified by Rolex. Rolex would consider the watch as a non original fake.

Amazing · 16 April 2021, 04:55 PM

Personally I wouldn't consider this to be "fake". Fake in my mind is something willingly trying to pretend to be something genuine. For example when people produce reproduction dials and try to pass them off as original, that's a fake.

With these customised Rolex models it's like putting different wheels on your car. The car is the same, thing but is not original any more. I haven't even seen a customised Rolex I liked.

L.K Johnson · 16 April 2021, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Amazing

Personally I wouldn't consider this to be "fake". Fake in my mind is something willingly trying to pretend to be something genuine. For example when people produce reproduction dials and try to pass them off as original, that's a fake.

With these customised Rolex models it's like putting different wheels on your car. The car is the same, thing but is not original any more. I haven't even seen a customised Rolex I liked.

I second that!

MorningTundra · 16 April 2021, 09:22 PM

Customized, personalized, or even restored, is not counterfeit or fake..

harry in montreal · 16 April 2021, 11:42 PM

But you never know how much of the orig watch was swapped. It begs the question of taking an original thing and swapping out 60% of it... do you have a whole new watch? It’s called the Ship of Thesus concept. Car customized Boyd coddington got into legal trouble for this in California. I find the issue fascinating. Read it and it gives you insight into the question and answer to ponder

Stan Cooper · 17 April 2021, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amazing

Personally I wouldn't consider this to be "fake". Fake in my mind is something willingly trying to pretend to be something genuine. For example when people produce reproduction dials and try to pass them off as original, that's a fake.

With these customised Rolex models it's like putting different wheels on your car. The car is the same, thing but is not original any more. I haven't even seen a customised Rolex I liked.

This, although I think some customized Rolexes are likeable. One thing I believe differentiates fakes from customized is the ability to quickly and easily reverse the customization. Examples are display casebacks and bezel inserts not original to the reference.

Fred48 · 17 April 2021, 10:39 AM

This is the watch I'm questioning, described as "refurbished".

Appreciate your comments.

Fred

offrdmania · 17 April 2021, 11:25 AM

Im not sure any of the watch was ever a Rolex. The last picture of the movement is horrible. They printed Rolex on the wheel. The real movements were engraved. This looks like an Bombay eBay special.

Dan S · 17 April 2021, 11:54 AM

Looks like an FHF movement. Unrelated to Rolex IMO.

Fred48 · 17 April 2021, 12:16 PM

ok, thanks for the heads up!

fred

16 April 2021, 03:25 PM	#1
Fred48 Banned Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Colorado Posts: 323	"Refurbished" Vintage Rolex. Is a refurbished vintage rolex (e.g., rolex martini) considered a fake? At what point would it become a fake? Thanks

16 April 2021, 03:46 PM	#2
springer 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,197	A Rolex Martini is a modified 116520 with a black finish to the case and bracelet which is not vintage and was not modified by Rolex. Rolex would consider the watch as a non original fake. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

17 April 2021, 11:25 AM	#9
offrdmania 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 X2 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Matt Location: Wine Country, Ca Posts: 5,849	Im not sure any of the watch was ever a Rolex. The last picture of the movement is horrible. They printed Rolex on the wheel. The real movements were engraved. This looks like an Bombay eBay special. __________________ TRF Member 11738

17 April 2021, 11:54 AM	#10
Dan S 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 5,907	Looks like an FHF movement. Unrelated to Rolex IMO. __________________ @oldwatchdan on IG

16 April 2021, 04:55 PM	#3
Amazing "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Herts UK Posts: 235	Personally I wouldn't consider this to be "fake". Fake in my mind is something willingly trying to pretend to be something genuine. For example when people produce reproduction dials and try to pass them off as original, that's a fake. With these customised Rolex models it's like putting different wheels on your car. The car is the same, thing but is not original any more. I haven't even seen a customised Rolex I liked.

16 April 2021, 09:22 PM	#5
MorningTundra "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Real Name: Morningtundra Location: USA, UK & HKG Posts: 1,037	Customized, personalized, or even restored, is not counterfeit or fake..

16 April 2021, 11:42 PM	#6
harry in montreal "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Montreal Watch: The Habs pick 1st! Posts: 3,589	But you never know how much of the orig watch was swapped. It begs the question of taking an original thing and swapping out 60% of it... do you have a whole new watch? It’s called the Ship of Thesus concept. Car customized Boyd coddington got into legal trouble for this in California. I find the issue fascinating. Read it and it gives you insight into the question and answer to ponder

17 April 2021, 12:16 PM	#11
Fred48 Banned Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Colorado Posts: 323	ok, thanks for the heads up! fred

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