5711 Should I be happy or concerned?

[Tom808]

Just received a 5711 and "was" thrilled.

After looking at it closer I noticed some rings on the bracelets....

All links of the bracelet have some sort of markings whether it be round indents (see pictures) or a round area in a slightly different metal color/hue. (Looks to be a different metal batch used to fill the holes when assembling the bracelet.)

I'm concerned because there was a thread by Bonsai-man where his 5711 started to form rust rings.

Btw for those who say "put away the loupe," I can see it with my bare eyes.

Watch is brand new purchased from AD. Also has the new movement.

Photo was taken with 4x zoom.

What would you guys do?

[Fat_ninja]

I’d go bring it back to the AD

[Mbbgysam]

While I normally forgive minor imperfections on the grounds that these are handmade, these recent bracelet issues are imho unacceptable. Come on, Patek, it's not like you haven't been making Nautilus bracelets for decades...

Have your AD rectify it with Patek. I think you know it's going to bother you otherwise.

[jag32]

Definitely bring it back to the AD. That’s unacceptable and is a rejection. If my Royal Oaks came that way I would have rejected them and demanded a new bracelet.

[SL BRABUS]

Soon there will be rust mark......

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=680120

Read this thread.....^^^.....

[ap1]

That’s crazy

[CamSLC]

Wow thats a shame on a brand new purchase, definitely take it into your AD to make right.

[tng11]

I thought that was normal? I can see those pin "marks" on my 5712 too!

[Tom808]

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

I’d go bring it back to the AD

Is this advise coming from a guy who wouldnt take his 5711 with crooked T stamp back?

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[Tom808]

Originally Posted by SL BRABUS

Soon there will be rust mark......

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=680120

Read this thread.....^^^.....

That is what i'm concerned about. I read that but I didn't see any updates on how the AD handled Bonsai-man's issues.

[Tom808]

Originally Posted by tng11

I thought that was normal? I can see those pin "marks" on my 5712 too!

Hey tng11,

Are you serious that you have that on your '12 too?

How long did you have it and are you noticing any discolorations and/or rust?

I ask this because I might just live with it...
My worry is that the watch will come back with other issues.

Tom

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[jag32]

Originally Posted by Tom808

Hey tng11,

Are you serious that you have that on your '12 too?

How long did you have it and are you noticing any discolorations and/or rust?

I ask this because I might just live with it...
My worry is that the watch will come back with other issues.

Tom

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Don’t live with it. Demand a new bracelet from Patek and nothing short of that solution is acceptable. For the issue to be fixed, really fixed corporately, Patek must be made aware of and held accountable for the issue. When another 3, , 4, or 5 of these bracelets with the same issue all start trickling into HSWA, something will change in Geneva.

[BigAppleBill]

Clearly something is really wrong here. I hope you take it to your AD and Patek properly addresses the situation and resolves it to your satisfaction. Please keep us updated with what happens.

[WatchLurv]

You pay that much and you need to live with these imperfections? No chance. "Throw" it back at them. Patek is considered haute horlogerie...Not some China-factory made watch.

[MilesB]

I only have experience with Rolex bracelets, but it looks normal to me, i.e. it's the other end of the screw:




Does Patek somehow make it invisible?

[benlee]

Have you tried washing it? Did it go away? If not, definitely send it back.

[brandrea]

Congratulations on the 5711, but I wouldn’t be happy with the bracelet though ...

I assume you bought new from an AD? If so I’d contact them to do a bracelet swap, or a full exchange for another.

[RussW]

Originally Posted by MilesB

I only have experience with Rolex bracelets, but it looks normal to me, i.e. it's the other end of the screw:




Does Patek somehow make it invisible?

What you’re looking at is different. Look at the links without the screw on your Rolex - they still have a pin in there to hold the bracelet together, but have been polished so they are invisible.

[RussW]

Originally Posted by Tom808

Hey tng11,

Are you serious that you have that on your '12 too?

How long did you have it and are you noticing any discolorations and/or rust?

I ask this because I might just live with it...
My worry is that the watch will come back with other issues.

Tom

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I’m pretty sure the pins on my 5990 are not totally invisible and I have the same rings. I’ll check tonight.

[MilesB]

Originally Posted by RussW

What you’re looking at is different. Look at the links without the screw on your Rolex - they still have a pin in there to hold the bracelet together, but have been polished so they are invisible.

Got it, in that case the OP should go complain.

[Xerxes77]

Back to AD

[AK797]

My first thought was to that rust thread as well.

[1William]

Go back and have a conversation with the AD. I am sure it will be worked out.

[Tom808]

Originally Posted by RussW

I’m pretty sure the pins on my 5990 are not totally invisible and I have the same rings. I’ll check tonight.

RussW, thanks in advance for checking. I checked out my other nautilus bracelet and is very clean.

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[Tom808]

Originally Posted by benlee

Have you tried washing it? Did it go away? If not, definitely send it back.

Hi Ben,

I wish it could be washed away.

It looks like the lines are from when PP filled the pin holes during link assembly. If patek took a bit more metal off, it would probably would not be that visible.

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[Jace]

There are pins and sleeves in the upper bracelet that are polished over and matte finished to become part of the bracelet. It’s the only way to make the bracelet. You are looking at the residual.

My AP perpetual calendar Royal Oak and ROC had the same issue on a couple of links.

Is it acceptable? That’s a personal choice. It didn’t bother me. And lots of things about watches bother me.


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[Fat_ninja]

Originally Posted by Tom808

Is this advise coming from a guy who wouldnt take his 5711 with crooked T stamp back?

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Lol


My stamp is from a drunk stamping the watch... urs might lead to rust.


Signed Kettle. :)

[tng11]

Originally Posted by Tom808

Hey tng11,

Are you serious that you have that on your '12 too?

How long did you have it and are you noticing any discolorations and/or rust?

I ask this because I might just live with it...
My worry is that the watch will come back with other issues.

Tom

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Nope, no discolouration or rust, it's from April 2018.

I had these invisible ghost marks on my 5990 as well.

[ts3]

Originally Posted by Jace

There are pins and sleeves in the upper bracelet that are polished over and matte finished to become part of the bracelet. It’s the only way to make the bracelet. You are looking at the residual.

My AP perpetual calendar Royal Oak and ROC had the same issue on a couple of links.

Is it acceptable? That’s a personal choice. It didn’t bother me. And lots of things about watches bother me.


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On my 5711 from July 2018 I can also see some of the pin holes when trying hard enough. I only noticed it after reading this thread. I had checked for rust after the other thread and there clearly hasn't been any back then and there isn't any now.

In my case there are no rings but the whole area of the pin hole has an ever so slightly different touch on some of the links that is only visible under certain light conditions but no loupe needed. This different touch seems to emanate from underneath the surface as the polish is homogeneous.

Out of curiosity I might walk by the Patek Service Center and see what they have to say. If and when I go I'll let you know the outcome. But honestly it doesn't really bother me whereas lots of other things on my watches do bother me.

[Russell996]

I will dig out photos of mine tonight that I took with the Loupe system.