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20 February 2018, 09:56 PM | #1 |
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Patek 3940p blue face
Anyone knows about them? Apparently 12 made.
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20 February 2018, 11:58 PM | #2 |
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A few on chrono24 so check them out, looks like £40-50K.
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21 February 2018, 02:55 AM | #3 |
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Any pics to show?
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21 February 2018, 09:37 AM | #4 |
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didnt know they exist, but i bet they look amazing
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21 February 2018, 09:59 AM | #5 |
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22 February 2018, 06:15 AM | #8 |
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Watch am being offered is £100k. Yet to see the pic...
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24 February 2018, 01:45 AM | #10 |
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No one i know has ever seen one. There is none on the internet. Hence extremely hard to value.
Welcome anyone with further thoughts. Base reasoning is 3940p (normal white face) which is £50,000 give or take a bit. But this is a different ball game altogether. |
24 February 2018, 02:04 AM | #11 |
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That is a 5140P
I think the papers may be fake. The 3940 is 36mm and the 5140 is 39mm (or thereabouts). Also the dials are drastically different, the font on the 5140 is much larger and the date numbers are shrunk where the sub dials come in close proximity of each other.
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3940 vs 5140
The 3940 is to the left
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Just check a 5140p next to it: it has Swiss written at bottom of dial. This 3940p does not. It is a correct 36mm 3940p. The papers are correct. Feel free not to believe it but i am 100% confident in my source and in the watch. The only thing that i am not sure about is the valuation. |
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I would be suspicious of the papers. They are of the most recent stock with the shiny gold printing on them, and started around early 2016. I am not sure if there were 3940s produced that late? The 5140P would have been in production, but the dial spacing clearly shows it's not a 5140P either.
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Surely it comes down to how much the owner wants? Piece has the same hand design as the salmon dial 175th version. http://www.watchprosite.com/page-wf....03/pi-7086438/ |
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24 February 2018, 03:38 AM | #19 |
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Patek occasionally makes special edition watches with different dial color. If they are not in a catalog, most people are not aware of their existence.
There is no reason to doubt the authenticity of this piece, as long as the numbers match on the watch and the papers. The valuation for a piece like this will depend on the market for one. Will resellers and collectors want this piece when a 5140P is available for quite a bit less? There may be a market for it, but we will not know for sure. |
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If you want a second opinion, post it on Timezone and see William Massena comes back with. It is your money, I would just hate to see you get ripped off. |
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24 February 2018, 04:59 AM | #21 |
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Yes the blue dial version is real. Remember when it was first released. Valuations can be tricky because of the relatively small size of the watch and I don't recall them coming up for auction much but I would check auction sites just at least have an idea where it may have sold.
Warning: I've seen the same Patek for 20 grand in USA and 40 grand in Asia, so keep that in mind. Tell ya what, Albert at European Watch in Boston would prob know valuation. I see you're in London so I called for you and they're going to get back to me and obviously if you're interested in selling it.... but that's not my point I'm just trying to figure out valuation for you. Always glad to help. :-) By the way they also think it's a relatively recent release. For some reason I remember them making a blue dial in like the late 90s or something maybe early 2000s?
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Just as i do not know the production year of the watch either. Even if it does not lead anywhere, i think that it is of interest to any keen PP enthusiast to know of the existence of such watches. Seeing it in pictures was already a big step for me! Curious to hear about any update on valuation btw! |
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If the Certificate has a date on it, that should give an indication of production year (or some time close to it). Also looking at the movment will tell you if it has the Patek seal or Geneva seal. The seals changed over around 2009, so movement made afterwards should have the Patek seal.
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Eric, the watch is 100% Real! When I did an incoming for my 3940G-029 Salmon Dial this is what I wrote:
“The case is 36mm which works well for my wrist. The dial has elements of the 5140 with the small 27 and 5 around the moonphase and the hour and minute hands for this piece are leaf hands which match the subdials when in the past Patek has chosen to use sword hands on their PCs for the hour and minute hands. They have chosen to use square hour markers for 3-5-7-9 which I do not believe has been done before. Also, The movement has the Geneva Seal on it vs the PP seal as this reference was retired in 2007. I also noticed at the bottom of the dial it does not say Swiss Made which I found interesting. My guess is they wanted to maximize the space on the dial and decided to forego that. All of these little details make the watch very interesting and special to Me.” As for the price, I personally would not pay that. I am biased and love My Salmon dial because to my knowledge it wasnt ever offered in any standard production model 3940-5140-5327. They make a 5140P which is beautiful and could be had for much cheaper. I just see this 3940P as having the same color dial as the generation that came after it. Even though I prefer the 3940 to 5140, I don’t think that price is merited when you can get a damn close version for half the cost. Just my 2cents. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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24 February 2018, 09:28 AM | #25 |
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Hi Mike, yes i followed your post closely when you first got the watch. A stunner!
I was on the list too and despite being at the 175 dinner and having a long chat with TS at the time, i was not chosen to get one... Thank you for your views and details about your watch... i somewhat agree on 3940p v 5140p. As you say, just a question of money. |
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Ahhh... fashion.
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25 February 2018, 01:14 AM | #27 |
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I was going to say £70K, at 100K there is such a small pool of buyers that you have to rely on luck and be ready to wait a long time. Unless it's a sure keeper for you, not worth the risk.
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26 February 2018, 11:48 PM | #28 |
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so the watch has been manufactured more or less at the same time as the Salmon Dial 175th Anniversary. It had been sitting at the dealers for most of this time who kept it to offer to a VIP client. My contact bought many watches from said dealer and got it offered. Papers dated 2018. I think little hope of getting it for less than £100k.
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When the Salmon and Rose 175th Anniversary 3940s were introduced the price was £66,670 and exchange rate to USD was around 1.50 I believe. I have been offered $115k for mine but declined.
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