Rolex speedking

[Jblakes]

Evening all

I have been given this watch. Would somebody be able to advise if this is a real speedking? I don't see many of this kind of dials.

Any advice.

kind regards

JB

[Kingface66]

I'm sorry, man, but why would you even post that first (and for that matter, last) photo? It's totally blurry

[R.W.T.]

Is the dial marked SWISS at the bottom?

What is the reference number of the watch. Movement is a 1210.

[Jblakes]

sorry was in a rush, i thought the pictures were better standard than that. I will post some probably after the weekend now. I will also check the number on the watch.

I have seen a number of rolex that dont have SWISS at the bottom, is this a way to tell a fake?

thanks in advanve.
JB

[tamiya]

Originally Posted by Kingface66

I'm sorry, man, but why would you even post that first (and for that matter, last) photo? It's totally blurry

phew, thought it was my eyes gone bad it's been a long tuff week

[R.W.T.]

Originally Posted by Jblakes

sorry was in a rush, i thought the pictures were better standard than that. I will post some probably after the weekend now. I will also check the number on the watch.

I have seen a number of rolex that dont have SWISS at the bottom, is this a way to tell a fake?

thanks in advanve.
JB

No it just means the dial has been refinished.

[Jblakes]

I take it thats bad?. I will have a look when im next home and post some good pictures.

[Vlad]

I would guess, the model would be 6220 - very late model speedking, and I'm not convinced that the dial has been refinished.

[R.W.T.]

I'm not either...but I can't see SWISS in the photo..that's why I'm asking.

I will never buy into the myth that there were watches made with dials that didn't have country of origin originally printed on the dial.

Everyone is entitled to their beliefs...sounds like marsh gas to me.

Good sources in Europe shake their heads no.

On that watch it could even be creeping out from underneath the rehaute.

[Jblakes]

I have just spoke to future father in-law. He said the watch doesn’t have SWISS at the bottom of the dial. He has never had the dial refinished, and didn’t think it has been. Obviously he has had the watch many years, and it was passed to him by his father in-law.

Does this mean the dial has been refinished at some point?, did Rolex make any watch at that time period without Swiss on dial? If not, what does this actually mean for the watch, decreased value (not that I ever plan to sell it)

Regards
JB

[Jblakes]

Some updated pictures, not great but couldn't get the file size down with full dial face. I also have no clue how to take back off or if i should?

Will the series number be on the inside of the watch as i can't see anything between the lugs on the outside?

regards
JB

[Jblakes]

Used tape to get the back off, no idea where the number should be printed. Can somebody point me in the right direction.

regards
JB

[Tools]

The ref. 6421 and date inside the caseback would indicate a Speedking from 1961.

It's possible that the Swiss is there, below the 6 indice and barely visible under the rehaut.

[Jblakes]

Yes the Swiss could be there as there seems to be some crap or somet just below the 6 dial pointer thing. Is the 24762 the series number? is there only one number?

Would the dial be able to be cleanned up? the watch works fine but obviously the watch is in need of a service and clean.

regards
JB

[Tools]

The 24762 is a unique serial number for the movement. Generally, these numbers are only noted in Rolex build data bases when the watch is manufactured and not referred to by enthusiasts. The watch serial number and reference numbers are against the case under the bracelet endlinks.

[Jblakes]

ok i have taken the strap off, on one side of the watch there is a scratch so i can't quite make out the numbers, how many are we talkin about? on the other side it says something like registered design? is that right? if so what does that mean?

regards
JB

[Jblakes]

Does anyone know if you can do something with the dial, i don't want it repolishing or whatever its called. Just like to get rid of the black bits around the hours pointer things, also can you clean the face up abit or is that patina? and stuck on?

kind regards
JB

[tamiya]

Originally Posted by Jblakes

Does anyone know if you can do something with the dial, i don't want it repolishing or whatever its called. Just like to get rid of the black bits around the hours pointer things, also can you clean the face up abit or is that patina? and stuck on?

Your guess good as mine I'm afraid.

Does it look like mold on top of the surface, or is it rust causing degradation of enamel paint. Any moisture ingress starts off rust; even skin oils & acids will promote rusting given enough time.

Outer tips of stick batons usually had a pip of lume, back then some lume material was radioactive hot &/or loves soaking up water like a sponge.

I see you've managed to get the back off, which is usually NOT a good sign for anything in an Oyster case to be so easily shucked

Very high risk that any attempt at "cleaning" will also remove painted details. Different paints age differently over time, some go powdery and some stay stable. Total unknown yet still for unknown paint on reworked dials.

Back then a face reprint was cheap & any watchmaker was happy to stamp them out but few looked anywhere decent (nor like original; although often faces were repainted to "modernise" your piece). These days there are professional artists that will properly restore your dial, but they don't work cheap afaik.

If you're after strict originality then a replacement original dial from same era is the best option.