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ocwatching · 21 February 2010, 04:09 PM

Bill I am wearing my 312 as I type this. I was the same way when I tried on a PAM 3 yrs ago and felt that a deep sea is too big 2 years ago. Now I am hoping for a 339 at 47mm. My watches range from 35 to 44mm.

iamthewatchman · 21 February 2010, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Speed

Dammit. Just tried on the 111 sandwich. It looked good. Big, but good.

Too bad it was on hold for someone.

At $5600 full msrp before 9.75% sales tax...no bargain.

Guess I will keep looking for a pre-owned.

Liked the sandwich dial quite a bit. Might like the paint as well.

look ebay 111 is almost base u should find it for 4k used make sure all the box and papers are there but dont be fooled the fake PAMs are the best i seen go to AD to check even watch makers cant tell because they haven't seen a lot of paneris in the market becarefull

Speed · 21 February 2010, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ocwatchnewbie

Bill I am wearing my 312 as I type this. I was the same way when I tried on a PAM 3 yrs ago and felt that a deep sea is too big 2 years ago. Now I am hoping for a 339 at 47mm. My watches range from 35 to 44mm.

Thanks Phil...Glad to hear your endorsement.

Sounds like I will also have to pay close attention to the seller - give the risks pointed out by watchman...

RooRocks · 21 February 2010, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Speed

HAHAHAHAHA

Did you read my thread. I think the watch looks good on me.

Now the debate:

- Search for a nice Sandwich dial pre-owned?
- Get an easier-to-find-painted dial (for less)
- Pay a buttload more at an AD for new?

Save yourself some money and buy used. If you buy from the right person you'll never know it was used.

I myself prefer the painted dials as I like the decorated movements. I am thinking about selling my sammy 111 and buying a painted. I find the painted harder to come by though and sometimes they are more than the sammys.

Speed · 21 February 2010, 05:13 PM

Thanks Roo....I intend to do just that. My Rollies were pre-owned / hardly worn. I LOVE 'em.

Seems the Sammy or Painted situation could go either way in terms of supply / demand / price...desirability.

Joey_V · 21 February 2010, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kyle L

As long as it doesn't look like this Bill, I'm sure it'll look right at home.

What's your wrist size Kyle??

esm · 21 February 2010, 10:33 PM

imo if you know you want a 111 but dont mind a sausage dial, maybe you should open to a 005 also. This would probably give you a better chance in finding them in the pre owned market.

From what i have read and if i remember it correctly, the painted/sausage dials started like a sandwich dial and the numbers and markers are then filled with the lume material to make it a painted/sausage dial......

dalip · 21 February 2010, 10:59 PM

perhaps some wrist shots with one on you are trying....
it's really your call in the end....I love the bigger watches right now...but they felt too big once...and they will probably again....if you love the PAM...hell - get it!

esm · 21 February 2010, 11:01 PM

OT - hows your DSSD going dalip? The production is going well i hope!

dalip · 21 February 2010, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by esm

OT - hows your DSSD going dalip? The production is going well i hope!

Going great thanks Eric....I love the DSSD..cannot get enough of it....hasn't left my wrist

and the production is going good...tough in rehearsal - but we have major papers responding to the media release...so that's great news!!!!!!!
hope ur good?
ok...thread hijack over...apologies

HL65 · 21 February 2010, 11:12 PM

My buddy just got an AP T3 -- 57mm--if you think a Panerai 44mm is big--imagine 57mm:

T3.jpg

Joey_V · 22 February 2010, 02:48 PM

Ken,

Your buddy must be a hulk.

Speed · 22 February 2010, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Joey_V

Ken,

Your buddy must be a hulk.

Joey...Know you got your Croc strap free...(Bastid

)

What do they cost full MSRP???

Joey_V · 22 February 2010, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Speed

Joey...Know you got your Croc strap free...(Bastid

)

What do they cost full MSRP???

I got a Cashmere calf strap free... cost 200$ retail (quite popular here as well).

I got a shiny black/black croc free... cost 320$ retail.

My dealer told me I have 2 more free straps in the "bank". I'm looking to get a brown croc or a JV croc strap. Looking at a black all arounder strap - perhaps buffalo or carbon fiber oem.

Everytime I visit my AD, it's like a kid in a candy store!

Oh and he owes me a watch winder as well!

Speed · 22 February 2010, 04:11 PM

Doh...Thanks.

So how many watches have you purchased at your AD? You must have put one of his kids through college, eh?

BTW, I LOVE Chicago. Did my graduate work at a little school in Evanston. Need to get back for a Visit!!!

tudorwatches · 22 February 2010, 08:54 PM

Everything over 42mm is too big for any watch.. imho

HL65 · 22 February 2010, 09:10 PM

Joey --he has same size wrist as me--7 1/2--he says it looks good--statement watch!!

esm · 22 February 2010, 10:23 PM

nice - these free strap thingy is great! You must be a loyal customer to the store or you are very close to the store owner :-) you are one lucky man Joey!

As for the 42mm is too large for anyway watch comment - i disagess if you have large-ish wrist. It is a personal preference imo.

HL65 · 22 February 2010, 10:27 PM

If watches over 42mm were too big than AP, JLC, IWC, Panerai etc. would all be out of business--44mm perfect size!! IMHO--and in the opinion of the greatest watch manufacturers out there!!! They build them for the market demand! Ps--We are talking mm's not inches...Take a ruler out and see just how small a few mm's are!!!

ral · 22 February 2010, 11:06 PM

Take into consideration also a watch with a strap versus one with a bracelet. You can wear... a 44mm with a strap wears "smaller" than a 44mm on a bracelet.

Speed · 23 February 2010, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ral

Take into consideration also a watch with a strap versus one with a bracelet. You can wear... a 44mm with a strap wears "smaller" than a 44mm on a bracelet.

Why do you think that is?

Aren't PAM straps pretty wide / huge?

I mean, I am agreeing that the watch looks good on me

as does my GSHOCK at ~ 50mm...

esm · 23 February 2010, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by dalip

hope ur good?

not too bad lately (could be alot better though..), thanks for asking dalip!

OT over

HL65 · 23 February 2010, 06:54 AM

Bill--go for it--it will look great!!! Wearing my AP ROO right now--Rubberclad--44mm--feels perfect!!

ral · 24 February 2010, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Speed

Why do you think that is?

Aren't PAM straps pretty wide / huge?

I mean, I am agreeing that the watch looks good on me

as does my GSHOCK at ~ 50mm...

This is one side of the lugs of a Rolex Daytona that is about 47mm to 48mm from lug to lug.

The bracelet will only start to fold on your wrist after the lugs... so effectively is like a a 49mm-50mm watch.

With a leather strap it will actually start to curve with your wrist even before the lugs end.

... that does not sound to clear. Maybe someone else can give it a go...

I "borrowed" the pics from this reseller so I think it is only fair to post a link to the site: Bernard Watch Co.

Hewes · 24 February 2010, 10:09 PM

Get this one

Trurolexer · 24 February 2010, 10:43 PM

PAM 111 will look GREAT on your wrist.

bcacncnc · 25 February 2010, 11:22 AM

I'm 6.5 inch and it can just pull it off. The only thing to be cautious of is many of the after market straps are a little longer than the OEM, so you might end up with a lot of tail and/or you may need to add an extra hole.

21 February 2010, 10:59 PM	#38
dalip "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Dalip Location: Mumbai and Perth Watch: Rolex PAM Omega Posts: 18,656	perhaps some wrist shots with one on you are trying.... it's really your call in the end....I love the bigger watches right now...but they felt too big once...and they will probably again....if you love the PAM...hell - get it! __________________ ------------------------------------------------------------ *"The liar's punishment is not in the least that he is not believed, but that he cannot believe anyone else." George Bernard Shaw*

21 February 2010, 11:12 PM	#41
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 63,450	My buddy just got an AP T3 -- 57mm--if you think a Panerai 44mm is big--imagine 57mm: T3.jpg __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

22 February 2010, 02:48 PM	#42
Joey_V "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Joey Location: Dallas, TX Watch: SS Sub 16610 M Posts: 3,824	Ken, Your buddy must be a hulk. __________________ Current Rotation: Rolex Submariner Date (M) - 1/08, Rolex Milgauss GV (V) - 2/10, Rolex SS Black Daytona (V) - 6/10, Rolex GMTIIC (G) - 5/11, TAG Heuer Silverstone (286/1860) - 1/2015 Former-watches: Omega PO/2535.80/2254, TAG Carrera/F1x2/Monaco, Panerai 312K/292L Wish List: Panerai 270/505, Rolex SMURF, Rolex RG Daytona, Rolex DSSD

22 February 2010, 09:10 PM	#47
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 63,450	Joey --he has same size wrist as me--7 1/2--he says it looks good--statement watch!! __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

22 February 2010, 10:27 PM	#49
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 63,450	If watches over 42mm were too big than AP, JLC, IWC, Panerai etc. would all be out of business--44mm perfect size!! IMHO--and in the opinion of the greatest watch manufacturers out there!!! They build them for the market demand! Ps--We are talking mm's not inches...Take a ruler out and see just how small a few mm's are!!! __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

21 February 2010, 04:09 PM	#31
ocwatching "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Phil Location: CA Posts: 5,374	Bill I am wearing my 312 as I type this. I was the same way when I tried on a PAM 3 yrs ago and felt that a deep sea is too big 2 years ago. Now I am hoping for a 339 at 47mm. My watches range from 35 to 44mm.

21 February 2010, 05:13 PM	#35
Speed "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: USA Posts: 19,695	Thanks Roo....I intend to do just that. My Rollies were pre-owned / hardly worn. I LOVE 'em. Seems the Sammy or Painted situation could go either way in terms of supply / demand / price...desirability.

21 February 2010, 10:33 PM	#37
esm "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Eric Location: Location,Location Watch: this, bro... Posts: 15,340	imo if you know you want a 111 but dont mind a sausage dial, maybe you should open to a 005 also. This would probably give you a better chance in finding them in the pre owned market. From what i have read and if i remember it correctly, the painted/sausage dials started like a sandwich dial and the numbers and markers are then filled with the lume material to make it a painted/sausage dial......

21 February 2010, 11:01 PM	#39
esm "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Eric Location: Location,Location Watch: this, bro... Posts: 15,340	OT - hows your DSSD going dalip? The production is going well i hope!

22 February 2010, 04:11 PM	#45
Speed "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: USA Posts: 19,695	Doh...Thanks. So how many watches have you purchased at your AD? You must have put one of his kids through college, eh? BTW, I LOVE Chicago. Did my graduate work at a little school in Evanston. Need to get back for a Visit!!!

22 February 2010, 08:54 PM	#46
tudorwatches "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Suisse Posts: 411	Everything over 42mm is too big for any watch.. imho

22 February 2010, 10:23 PM	#48
esm "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Eric Location: Location,Location Watch: this, bro... Posts: 15,340	nice - these free strap thingy is great! You must be a loyal customer to the store or you are very close to the store owner :-) you are one lucky man Joey! As for the 42mm is too large for anyway watch comment - i disagess if you have large-ish wrist. It is a personal preference imo.

22 February 2010, 11:06 PM	#50
ral Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Philippines Posts: 650	Take into consideration also a watch with a strap versus one with a bracelet. You can wear... a 44mm with a strap wears "smaller" than a 44mm on a bracelet.

23 February 2010, 06:54 AM	#53
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 63,450	Bill--go for it--it will look great!!! Wearing my AP ROO right now--Rubberclad--44mm--feels perfect!! __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

24 February 2010, 10:43 PM	#56
Trurolexer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex Posts: 18,421	PAM 111 will look GREAT on your wrist.

25 February 2010, 11:22 AM	#57
bcacncnc "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Bryan Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,577	I'm 6.5 inch and it can just pull it off. The only thing to be cautious of is many of the after market straps are a little longer than the OEM, so you might end up with a lot of tail and/or you may need to add an extra hole. __________________ Omega Panerai Chopard Grand Seiko

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