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3 January 2010, 10:28 AM | #61 | |
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Pav: I know I a guy who authenticates Daytonas(and other watches as well) in the Big Leagues. If you want send me an email with attachment, I'll print it out, and let's see what happens. Pulleth not the trigger yet. And BTW, that is a gorgeous watch, but believe me I do understand the issue.
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Also PN dials are know for the sloppy "T SWISS T". The number 5 on the left sub-dial sometimes looks like it is the wrong size. Some claim a 3 color Daytona dial never left the factory. But yes they have brought good money at auctions. The last auction I looked at a questionable PN was withdrawn. Sorry to post this and good luck. =) maverick Correct PN Dial Borrowed pic |
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For the forum: I had a real expert look at Pav's pics. He says it 'looks good' but the dial must be removed from the watch and examined carefully before authenticity can be determined,with a number of subtle and complex factors to be determined, and PM sent to Pav.
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Wow, you learn something new every day.
I hope it works out well for you Pav.
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3 January 2010, 11:18 AM | #67 |
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No expert here but I was told in my PN 6262 post that taking a look at the lower register 5 O'Clock lollipop that the stick should not be in the center of the 5 O'Clock lollipop. It appears that the pictures show the 5 O'Clock lollipop is in the center of that lollipop? It looks to be centered?
I am sorry I had not refreshed and missed the post that stated the same info with a great picture. |
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3 January 2010, 11:46 AM | #69 | |
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What bothers me on these "Texas" dials is on the back. The Singer stamp looks very bad compared to ones I have seen in person. JMHO But the debate continues and I hope all works out well. =) maverick |
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But I have since learned that I was incorrect in that assumption. |
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I already contacted the seller and am meeting with him on Monday. |
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Checking the back would be interesting to see how the Singer stamp appears but BE CAREFUL handling the dial and only let someone you trust with your life handle that dial. It only takes one slip an there goes a tritium dot. They just instantly turn to dust when touched. The bottom line is that it is hard to prove they are not OK due to the fact the Rolex has serviced them and they have been sold in auctions for large sums. I know big collectors that still will buy them and some that prefer to stay away. =) maverick On a different 'correct' PN dial which has sloppy "S" in the "SWISS' printing, another correct trait |
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Very sorry to hear this, Pav. Hope it all works out for you.
Best of luck, dP
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Nonetheless, I am now convinced the dial is NOT Rolex. I am glad I found out and contacted the seller within 3 days. |
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Thanks Dennis/Pav. Very informational, sorry I had to learn it this way though.
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Amazed to read of this Pav, as Steve said, one learns something new every day, I hope that you achieve the outcome that you are after, let us know how it goes....
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He had xxxx well better. But to pose a better question, what will the seller do with the watch after it is returned? To me, this guy is damaged goods and I would question everything he has sold or is selling. Sorry to be a spoil sport, but if you are playing with the big dogs, you can't pee like a puppy.
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The final verdict whether these are fake is still out, but the overwhelming evidence to date suggests they are not real. |
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So sorry and hope this gets 100% straightened out to your satisfaction. =) maverick |
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I just want to reiterate that the final word is still out on these dials and that most likely there will never be a difinitive word on them as some of the biggest players in the vintage Rolex market have bought and sold many of these watches(and it would be a nightmare if everyone tried to track down where they got them from and so on and so on,many people would go broke!)..while they are most likely a very good fake,there is also an insanely passionate group of collectors who search these dialed watches out and that therefore makes them a very valuable watch in their own right..
its just like a limited production piece of artwork,if there is only a finite amount of them then they are innately valuable as long as people wish to have one for their collection and there are only so many to be had..but I am just rehashing an old argument..if Pav decides to keep the piece-I still admire it for its beauty as do countless others..and if he doesnt,then thats his choice(as long as the seller is honorable which it sounds like he is) so either way Pav,its a lovely watch! |
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To me the dial is tainted, tainting the entire watch despite it's beauty. I absolutely can not keep this piece in my collection. |
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Since Orchi was the 1st bugger(no regrets) to alert you on the JM Dial issue... Orchi stands by the opinion that the Dial on the 6239...is FAKEEE... Quote:
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Good job you got it from a reputable dealer Pav. I must admit when I first saw it I thought it was controversial as it has been discussed on the VRF in the past. Glad it has worked out for you
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Sounds like this will work out for you, Pav. Good news!
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