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Jschwar · 13 January 2019, 12:23 PM

In negotiations to purchase this '99 YM from a fairly well-established (Since mid 80s) family jewelry store that deals in pre-owned watches. The date magnification looks a little off (but that could just be the angle). Thoughts anyone?

Jschwar · 13 January 2019, 12:28 PM

Some additional photos...

GLADIATOR · 13 January 2019, 01:02 PM

Mmm
Lets see a photo of the engraving between lugs at 6 o clock or 12 o clock

J_1964 · 13 January 2019, 01:33 PM

And the back of the watch. i.e. caseback, endlinks and Case/Endlink fitment detail (close-up).

GLADIATOR · 13 January 2019, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by J_1964

And the back of the watch. i.e. caseback, endlinks and Case/Endlink fitment detail (close-up).

Please do not post your definitive thoughts.
If you like PM the OP
We dont give reasons here
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Tools · 13 January 2019, 01:37 PM

Wrong bracelet...…… or is that a mid-size???

Masteryacht · 13 January 2019, 01:50 PM

Even if that is genuine, I would pass. Too much polishing, bracelet stretch, and the bezel looks terrible. The coronet on the bracelet has been polished to a blur.

Jschwar · 13 January 2019, 02:04 PM

It's supposed to be 40mm. Also, to those who want to see more pictures, that's all I have at the moment, sorry. If anyone else has thoughts on condition I would love to hear them too. This would be my first swiss watch aside from a Tag, and while I don't need something in totally mint condition, I don't want a complete piece of junk either.

usling15 · 13 January 2019, 03:04 PM

Case looks like it’s been polished to aerodynamic proportions.

Lgear080 · 13 January 2019, 03:04 PM

I’d pass on this bucket ym. Fake or not condition is soooo bad.

usling15 · 13 January 2019, 03:15 PM

When did half links first appear ?

boatbasin · 13 January 2019, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by usling15

Case looks like it’s been polished to aerodynamic proportions.

Case on a YM is not sharp like a SD. That is how it's supposed to be shaped.

usling15 · 13 January 2019, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by boatbasin

Case on a YM is not sharp like a SD. That is how it's supposed to be shaped.

Huh??

Kamz · 14 January 2019, 12:12 AM

Gen

boatbasin · 14 January 2019, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by usling15

Huh??

I'm not saying it's not heavily polished, but in good condition a 5 digit Yacht-Master case is more rounded than a Sub or a Sea-Dweller from the same era.

socalwatchcollector · 14 January 2019, 04:35 PM

Stay away!

joli160 · 15 January 2019, 02:32 AM

Original, nicest Pt YM dial around with the fat font red print.
Case is OK, bracelet worn and unfortunately crown on the clasp destroyed by polishing. Bezel can use a refurb.

All in all I would not buy this one. Not even dirt cheap. Much cleaner examples are on the market.

breitlings · 15 January 2019, 04:06 AM

Bezel has seen better days and that bezel is expensive. It would have to be in the low 4k to be enticing as the band is also worn.

rolexinfl · 15 January 2019, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by breitlings

Bezel has seen better days and that bezel is expensive. It would have to be in the low 4k to be enticing as the band is also worn.

MAYBE if you're a dealer. Purchase price of a YM in that condition is still easily low $5000 USD range.

cajunron · 22 January 2019, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Tools

Wrong bracelet...…… or is that a mid-size???

Looks like a mid size to me.

crowncollection · 22 January 2019, 09:59 PM

Hard to tell from pics what size it is. I think condition is below average, you can certainly RefurbMe the bezel and band, you can never get the clasp coronet back though. I would pass unless the price very attractive

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Harry-57 · 22 January 2019, 11:56 PM

That bracelet looks knackered. And it's been polished to death. To me, this throws up enough red flags before we even begin to examine authenticity.

smym18 · 23 January 2019, 01:59 AM

That bracelet is considered too worn for a 20 year old watch?

lawrence1 · 23 January 2019, 02:46 PM

What are you paying for that thing? I just sold one that was near mint, full set, M serial with engraved rehaut, etc. That bracelet needs work, and so does the bezel. Chances are it will need a service as well judging by the cosmetics. Unless you're getting it for $4k like the other posted suggested, i would pass and get a newer one that has not been worn as much. Look for one with a good bezel that doesn't have shiny spots and a bracelet that is not worn out.

lawrence1 · 23 January 2019, 02:46 PM

Looks real to me BTW

lawrence1 · 23 January 2019, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by smym18

That bracelet is considered too worn for a 20 year old watch?

Many of these are not worn every day. For a watch that was worn frequently for the better part of 20 yrs that is probably normal, although as a buyer the OP should account for that wear. Sometimes paying more upfront for a watch that was rarely worn is a better value proposition rather than buying one for cheap and trying to refurb it.

smym18 · 24 January 2019, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by lawrence1

Many of these are not worn every day. For a watch that was worn frequently for the better part of 20 yrs that is probably normal, although as a buyer the OP should account for that wear. Sometimes paying more upfront for a watch that was rarely worn is a better value proposition rather than buying one for cheap and trying to refurb it.

I didn't notice the big gaps by end links. Still for 20 years old it doesn't seem terrible.

tigey · 7 February 2019, 03:15 AM

It is real

13 January 2019, 01:02 PM	#3
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	Mmm Lets see a photo of the engraving between lugs at 6 o clock or 12 o clock __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

13 January 2019, 01:37 PM	#6
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,036	Wrong bracelet...…… or is that a mid-size??? __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

13 January 2019, 02:04 PM	#8
Jschwar "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Hoboken Posts: 12	It's supposed to be 40mm. Also, to those who want to see more pictures, that's all I have at the moment, sorry. If anyone else has thoughts on condition I would love to hear them too. This would be my first swiss watch aside from a Tag, and while I don't need something in totally mint condition, I don't want a complete piece of junk either. Last edited by Jschwar; 13 January 2019 at 02:11 PM.. Reason: spelling

15 January 2019, 02:32 AM	#17
joli160 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: NL Watch: Yachtmaster Posts: 14,340	Original, nicest Pt YM dial around with the fat font red print. Case is OK, bracelet worn and unfortunately crown on the clasp destroyed by polishing. Bezel can use a refurb. All in all I would not buy this one. Not even dirt cheap. Much cleaner examples are on the market. __________________ Day Date 18238, Yachtmaster 16622, Deepsea 116660, Submariner 116619, SkyD 326935, DJ 178271, DJ 69158, Yachtmaster 169622, GMT 116713LN, GMT 126711.

22 January 2019, 09:59 PM	#21
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,157	Hard to tell from pics what size it is. I think condition is below average, you can certainly RefurbMe the bezel and band, you can never get the clasp coronet back though. I would pass unless the price very attractive Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ watches many

13 January 2019, 01:33 PM	#4
J_1964 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Real Name: Jim Location: NoCal USA Watch: 16710 Posts: 1,955	And the back of the watch. i.e. caseback, endlinks and Case/Endlink fitment detail (close-up).

13 January 2019, 01:50 PM	#7
Masteryacht "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: USA Watch: 16622,BLNR,116500 Posts: 974	Even if that is genuine, I would pass. Too much polishing, bracelet stretch, and the bezel looks terrible. The coronet on the bracelet has been polished to a blur.

13 January 2019, 03:04 PM	#9
usling15 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Virginia Posts: 253	Case looks like it’s been polished to aerodynamic proportions.

13 January 2019, 03:04 PM	#10
Lgear080 Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: NYC Posts: 3,506	I’d pass on this bucket ym. Fake or not condition is soooo bad.

13 January 2019, 03:15 PM	#11
usling15 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Virginia Posts: 253	When did half links first appear ?

14 January 2019, 12:12 AM	#14
Kamz "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Chigwell Posts: 7	Gen

14 January 2019, 04:35 PM	#16
socalwatchcollector "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Real Name: John Location: newport beach Watch: Pateks Plural Posts: 1,621	Stay away!

15 January 2019, 04:06 AM	#18
breitlings Banned Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Bethesda Watch: Apple TV Posts: 5,744	Bezel has seen better days and that bezel is expensive. It would have to be in the low 4k to be enticing as the band is also worn.

22 January 2019, 11:56 PM	#22
Harry-57 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Real Name: Harry Location: England Posts: 9,642	That bracelet looks knackered. And it's been polished to death. To me, this throws up enough red flags before we even begin to examine authenticity.

23 January 2019, 01:59 AM	#23
smym18 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: USA Posts: 1,376	That bracelet is considered too worn for a 20 year old watch?

23 January 2019, 02:46 PM	#24
lawrence1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: N. California Posts: 355	What are you paying for that thing? I just sold one that was near mint, full set, M serial with engraved rehaut, etc. That bracelet needs work, and so does the bezel. Chances are it will need a service as well judging by the cosmetics. Unless you're getting it for $4k like the other posted suggested, i would pass and get a newer one that has not been worn as much. Look for one with a good bezel that doesn't have shiny spots and a bracelet that is not worn out.

7 February 2019, 03:15 AM	#28
tigey "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Belize Posts: 271	It is real

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