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Old 17 November 2019, 07:23 AM   #1
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Let's discuss the LX

So I'm just curious to guage everyone here on what the problem with this watch is to them. Going over to WUS and seeing comments on here it seems like the watch either gets "meh" or vehement dislike. My confusion comes from the marinemaster 300, and more specifically, how it is a universally praised model.

Seiko basically took the MM, fixed the lug width, upgraded the movement, made it way more comfortable, gave it grand seiko finishing, upgraded the case, upgraded the bracelet design and brought in a world famous designer to bring it all together into a flagship model in 6 different versions for taste. Yet all I read is indifference or anger at the pricing model, diashield, pricing model, oh and also the pricing model.

As an owner of the land version (SNR025), this watch gets about 75% of my wrist time on the weekends, if not more. My brother owns the sea 029 and feels the same. It's really hard to put on something else. My GS SBGE245 has just been sitting there lately. As an owner I can also really emphasize that the 5k price tag feels justified. I certainly think it's more justified than on the SLA025.

So what say you? Pricing? Design? The Seiko badge? Too safe design wise? Just curious to discuss this model and if y'all have issues other than the cost or if that's really the root of the problem.
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Old 17 November 2019, 07:51 AM   #2
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I dont mind it, if i was a fan of the spring drive i can see how it would justify the 3k premium on the marinemaster? But for me i like mechanical movements and find the monoblock case insanely cool

I have the sla025, and with the high beat movement and design heritage, i cant agree with this model being more justified than it
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Old 17 November 2019, 08:19 AM   #3
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I like the LX line a lot, I really do and the SNR025 land is my favorite model in the lineup. I've tried one on and it exudes quality. I'd love to own one but it would be very hard for me to commit unless I was almost certain I was going to keep the watch for the long haul. I'd just have a hard time accepting the loss that would be incurred if I wanted to move it on in the near term.

Having said that, I'd be happy to own one at ~ $3000 for a LNIB example.



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Old 17 November 2019, 12:24 PM   #4
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I like the LX line a lot, I really do and the SNR025 land is my favorite model in the lineup. I've tried one on and it exudes quality. I'd love to own one but it would be very hard for me to commit unless I was almost certain I was going to keep the watch for the long haul. I'd just have a hard time accepting the loss that would be incurred if I wanted to move it on in the near term.

Having said that, I'd be happy to own one at ~ $3000 for a LNIB example.



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I think that the price point and the blurred lines between Seiko and GS are a bit of the issue - at least for me

add to that, a bit of contempt with the lack of good diver in the GS line up.

After making a great effort to divide the lines between GS and Seiko, it seemed strange to then escalate Seiko upto the level of GS with the LX..

the irony, is that if they had put a 'GS' on the dial... they could have charged more, and everyone would probably be buying them like hot cakes...

The Seiko love and goodwill comes from great watches that aren't prohibitively expensive... the 200m diver line at ~ 1k are so so amazing, the Presage is Value proposition that is unparalleled ..

But, when you get to that $5k range - you are into Omega Aqua Terra, Breitling, etc...

Some of it is a bit of the knee jerk impulsive reaction that we thought we were beyond as "woke" watch collectors...

I guess old habits die hard...
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Old 17 November 2019, 02:16 PM   #5
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I spent a long time yesterday at the Seiko boutique in Miami...pretty much going over all the watches available....including the LX lineup.

I was quite interested in these as I have an MM300 and other Seiko's of course, so I am a supporter of the brand.

As I held the LX Diver with bracelet I like the styling of the watch and the finish of the TI had a very slick industrialistic feel to it...like a nice piece of machinery.

I then noticed the bracelet had some sharp edges that created hotspots on the wrist. Not my favorite thing to feel..but I can put it on a strap..yada yada.

Then I unscrewed the crown and went to screw it back down...what did I feel?

Gritiness. Yep. Crown was gritty. It didn't feel happy at all screwing back down.

Then I looked at the price tag. $5,000.00 . Yep, that's a pass on that. I can't spend that much and have to fiddle with that crown action...

I have 3 other spring drives, so that movement is not going to sway me to overcome the crown issue. I'm sure the OP's LXcrown is great and all that, but the one I tried absolutely was not and that highlights the inconsistency in Seiko. For that $$ they ALL should feel great. ALL of them.

I moved on and found they had the SPB105 with the green dial.

Tried it out. Everything felt right and the crown was smooth as could be. Bracelet felt nice too. Price? $1050.00

SOLD...so I bought that instead.

There in lies the problem from a WIS POV. The LX are just too expensive in comparison to other Seiko offerings that cost less and seem to have better QC.

For the general public, there is no way they will spend $5K on a watch with the same name on it as a $250 watch at Macy's. NO WAY.

So, both markets (WIS and GP) will struggle with these references. Just too much $$$
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Old 18 November 2019, 02:41 AM   #6
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My heart skipped a beat when I first saw a picture of the SNR029. It's everything I've ever wanted in a Seiko diver. Then I scrolled down and read the one piece of info that broke my heart....it's titanium. That's my issue with it. I just don't like watches that feel too light for their size.
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Old 18 November 2019, 07:35 AM   #7
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The price tag will kill the LX line IMO unless they produce tiny quantities just for super WIS and seiko-haulics.


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Old 18 November 2019, 07:36 AM   #8
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For that price I want a GS and I also want a tidier package.

No idea how GS could have planned this new rollout in the US market without having a nice 40-42mm diver ready to go.
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Old 18 November 2019, 09:07 AM   #9
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I spent a long time yesterday at the Seiko boutique in Miami...pretty much going over all the watches available....including the LX lineup.

I was quite interested in these as I have an MM300 and other Seiko's of course, so I am a supporter of the brand.

As I held the LX Diver with bracelet I like the styling of the watch and the finish of the TI had a very slick industrialistic feel to it...like a nice piece of machinery.

I then noticed the bracelet had some sharp edges that created hotspots on the wrist. Not my favorite thing to feel..but I can put it on a strap..yada yada.

Then I unscrewed the crown and went to screw it back down...what did I feel?

Gritiness. Yep. Crown was gritty. It didn't feel happy at all screwing back down.

Then I looked at the price tag. $5,000.00 . Yep, that's a pass on that. I can't spend that much and have to fiddle with that crown action...

I have 3 other spring drives, so that movement is not going to sway me to overcome the crown issue. I'm sure the OP's LXcrown is great and all that, but the one I tried absolutely was not and that highlights the inconsistency in Seiko. For that $$ they ALL should feel great. ALL of them.

I moved on and found they had the SPB105 with the green dial.

Tried it out. Everything felt right and the crown was smooth as could be. Bracelet felt nice too. Price? $1050.00

SOLD...so I bought that instead.

There in lies the problem from a WIS POV. The LX are just too expensive in comparison to other Seiko offerings that cost less and seem to have better QC.

For the general public, there is no way they will spend $5K on a watch with the same name on it as a $250 watch at Macy's. NO WAY.

So, both markets (WIS and GP) will struggle with these references. Just too much $$$
My crown is all good, but Seiko replaced my first LX cause the holes on the clasp were milled off center and you couldn’t micro adjust so I definitely see your point here. But the replacement I received is flawless.
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Old 18 November 2019, 09:28 AM   #10
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I also own a mm200, it’s a great watch. But the quality control ain’t all there on those. That’s the Seiko I have where there seems to be an issue with the threading whereas my $400 turtles are fine. I feel like wherever you go in the Seiko brand there seems to be QC issues. It’s a universal problem.
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