All blue GMT fake

[BigBlue1]

I wouldn’t think they would be quite in regards to it’s integrity, but I could be wrong.

[xelor63]

Originally Posted by suligeo

What means LB? Please tell us more about the missing Inlays.

Lunette Blue


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[Wiener48]

Link on Instergram is delited

[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by BigBlue1

I would think they would still be able to disclose the fact that if it was made by them, they could at least let it be know that in fact it was made or commissioned by them. Why act like something doesn't exist. Doesn't really make any sense from a business perspective. Why lie to Millions of fans, customers and enthusiasts abroad? Is this a good business approach. I wouldn't buy this for a second. Just my opinion. With as much information and fan base as Rolex has you would think that if the answer was out there as far as it being made or commissioned by Rolex we would of heard all about it by now.

The majority of people who have ever owned a Rolex have NO idea what a blue insert for a GMT even is. We, this cadre of vintage enthusiasts are a very, very small percentage of the watch-buying public. Those who are buying Rolexes now...and I'm talking new Rolexes..know nothing about such small, nerdy, little accessories like what inserts were available for a particular reference 40 years ago....hell, most people wearing new Rolexes don't even know what an insert is. They just care how it looks and if it runs. So, does Rolex really care at all about this "blue insert" debate? Why should they?

[xelor63]

Originally Posted by Kingface66

The majority of people who have ever owned a Rolex have NO idea what a blue insert for a GMT even is. We, this cadre of vintage enthusiasts are a very, very small percentage of the watch-buying public. Those who are buying Rolexes now...and I'm talking new Rolexes..know nothing about such small, nerdy, little accessories like what inserts were available for a particular reference 40 years ago....hell, most people wearing new Rolexes don't even know what an insert is. They just care how it looks and if it runs. So, does Rolex really care at all about this "blue insert" debate? Why should they?

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[suligeo]

You compare a new, one watch buyer from today with the Rolex factory people?!

Rolex itself is one of the most accurate Factory, which not allow no authentic parts on any watch!!
And these people don’t care about little vintage things?!

And I don’t mean authorized Rolex Dealers.

Most of them don’t work 100% like Rolex itself!


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[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by suligeo

You compare a new, one watch buyer from today with the Rolex factory people?!

Rolex itself is one of the most accurate Factory, which not allow no authentic parts on any watch!!
And these people don’t care about little vintage things?!

And I don’t mean authorized Rolex Dealers.

Most of them don’t work 100% like Rolex itself!


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If you're replying to my post, you miss my point. Which is, Rolex seems to have, and has had, little to no interest in the vintage market. It brings them no money. Why should they bother satisfying our needs for fact-checking whether a particular component was made, 40 years-ago. Why bother? How does it serve them?

[suligeo]

Are you honestly saying their past bring them nothing today?!
Rolex know why they are there today, where they are!
Send a watch to Rolex from the past decades and they help with Infos and restore it.
They know much more as you think.


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[watchdawg]

In 2011 the RSC in Abu Dhabi had Blue bezels in stock.

[suligeo]

Is pointless to discuss about it.

I‘m glad not to own or sold one before.


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[Wahlberg]

Originally Posted by roh123

That watch is all wrong and still they market it. .

Which post? And could you tell me what's wrong with it (not original, wrong parts, ...)?

[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by suligeo

Are you honestly saying their past bring them nothing today?!
Rolex know why they are there today, where they are!
Send a watch to Rolex from the past decades and they help with Infos and restore it.
They know much more as you think.


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Their past brings them nothing financially today. Do they sell vintage watches? Do they see any proceeds when a dealer sells a Daytona for half a million dollars? Of course not.
I am not saying...and I never did say...that they know nothing of their past, I'm saying because it doesn't bring them any profit, they have no reason to put any effort into helping vintage enthusiasts over every little detail.

[springer]

Originally Posted by zapokee

Rolex did all sorts of stuff at service in the 70s. They'd send your Red Sub back after service with an all-white dial. They'd send your Datejust back with leaf hands changed to straight hands. They'd send your gilt dial back with a non-gilt. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that they'd send your GMT back with a blue insert.

I don't even like these blue inserts. I don't have one. I don't plan to buy one. I'm just saying I haven't seen any evidence that proves they're not genuine *service* parts (as opposed to being originally provided on a new watch).

Excuse me, but - you haven't seen any evidence that proves they're not genuine service parts? I believe the more appropriate question is ...I haven't seen any evidence that they are genuine - which makes much more sense.

[Wahlberg]

Originally Posted by Kingface66

little to no interest in the vintage market. It brings them no money.

I'm positive Rolex is benefiting from everything going on in the vintage market the past few years and how it hyped up everything. It's a side effect but it's pushing their current business up A LOT.

They used to discount new models, they don't need to anymore and they sell at a premium. All because investing in watches became an actual thing, even with new(er) models.

[springer]

Originally Posted by TheDude

Let us not forget that the rich Arab market (royalty, etc...) routinely gets custom items from basically any manufacturer as a matter of regular business. Cars, watches, jewelry, you name it.

Depending on how pedantic you get with the letter, I’d say that it doesn’t rule out this kind of thing.

Also, I would not expect Rolex to divulge anything regarding the origins of a piece tied to a royal family or government to a new owner...




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The stories regarding the origin of these inserts is much deeper than what you write here. Many other variations of the origins, including being sold through the Rolex Service Centers. As the story changes regarding where these came from - it's possibly that the perpetrators responsible for the blue inserts had their way with collectors and varied the origins of the inserts as the story line was changed.

[springer]

Originally Posted by roh123

Doesn’t really mean anything either. Concensus is pretty clear that the UAE watches originally came with pepsis. Service people just fills out the forms.

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[springer]

Originally Posted by roh123

I think some people are over thinking this. Rolex don’t give a shit about vintage and they do not have a clue. At least not everyone working for Rolex. Just look at their 6241 post on IG. That watch is all wrong and still they market it. I wouldn’t put too much value what customer service, PR and marketing people say about nerdy details on 40-50 year old watches.

These are just as questionable today as they were ten years ago. Some like them, some don’t...

and...based on my experiences with the RSC here in Dallas, I would not trust them with any opinion for me regarding a fake or fraudulent part on a Rolex watch that I was concerned with. They've made a couple of wrong calls for me in the past calling something obviously fake as genuine.

[suligeo]

Originally Posted by Kingface66

Their past brings them nothing financially today. Do they sell vintage watches? Do they see any proceeds when a dealer sells a Daytona for half a million dollars? Of course not.

I am not saying...and I never did say...that they know nothing of their past, I'm saying because it doesn't bring them any profit, they have no reason to put any effort into helping vintage enthusiasts over every little detail.

The past, history, Mythos, vintage etc bring Rolex today MUCH financially.
Actually the bomb with the blueberry doesn’t happen often. They can let more bombs for sure but they also will loose from doing that.

Whatever, everyone can believe and buy what they want. I‘m glad never bought one. Honestly glad.


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[SunTzu]

Originally Posted by suligeo

Send a watch to Rolex from the past decades and they help with Infos and restore it.

I went to Rolex in NYC with my grandfather's vintage 1950's Rolex Precision 4471 and they wanted nothing to do with it. They would not service it or give me any information about it. I was dismissed as quickly as I came in.

[suligeo]

I ment Rolex Switzerland.


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[SunTzu]

Originally Posted by suligeo

I ment Rolex Switzerland.


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Ok, I understand.

[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by suligeo

I ment Rolex Switzerland.


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You've brought a vintage watch to Rolex Switzerland?

[suligeo]

Yes and not only me.


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[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by suligeo

Yes and not only me.


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Awesome! Can you share with us what the watch was and what Rolex said?

[TheDude]

Originally Posted by springer

The stories regarding the origin of these inserts is much deeper than what you write here. Many other variations of the origins, including being sold through the Rolex Service Centers. As the story changes regarding where these came from - it's possibly that the perpetrators responsible for the blue inserts had their way with collectors and varied the origins of the inserts as the story line was changed.

I’m aware of that, I simply referenced the one I find most plausible but as you say there are many stories floating around. As with all things, there probably is a lot of bad information being passed around.


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[Filipão]

Originally Posted by suligeo

What means LB? Please tell us more about the missing Inlays.

LB = Lunette Bleu = Blue insert

[mountainjogger]

Well, at least I know my Black Bay Blue is original.

And a lot less expensive than diving into this mess.

[zapokee]

Originally Posted by BigBlue1

I would think they would still be able to disclose the fact that if it was made by them, they could at least let it be know that in fact it was made or commissioned by them.

I wouldn't expect Rolex to definitively provide this information, given their lack of interest in the vintage market. Their focus is on selling new watches and updating old ones on their own terms, which is their prerogative, but it doesn't help us a jot here. This conversation benefits us all, though.

[BigBlue1]

I think we should get a petition going with online signatures. Send Rolex a letter requesting they do an investigation into the how the Shrouded in Mystery Blue GMT Insert AKA Blueberry came into existence. I don't think this is an unreasonable request. We must within are community here and or abroad within reach of one of are members have someone that can influence such investigation in its such existence. I don't know if maybe someone is afraid to break the camels back, but maybe it was meant to be broken. I know sometimes they say Let lying dogs lie, but.

[zapokee]

Originally Posted by BigBlue1

I think we should get a petition going with online signatures.

Rolex would just throw it in the trash along with all the parts from vintage watches they ruin.