Blueberry thread closed?

[Filipão]

Wonder what happened, someone knows, please?

[rootbeer7]

It descended into name-calling sadly.

[RLX_NY]

+1 sadly it resorted to name calling by few members who were also shown the door.

[dhknola]

Really was becoming an epic thread; pretty much the pro-blueberry camp launched in to diatribes defending the authenticity of the bezel while most people chimed in that there is no proof to their authenticity and odds are they are as legitimate as a three dollar bill.

[Noonan]

Originally Posted by rootbeer7

It descended into name-calling sadly.

No; you're the fake bezel!!

[Filipão]

Originally Posted by rootbeer7

It descended into name-calling sadly.

Oh... I really missed that bit!

Thank you rootbeer7

[Filipão]

Originally Posted by dhknola

Really was becoming an epic thread; pretty much the pro-blueberry camp launched in to diatribes defending the authenticity of the bezel while most people chimed in that there is no proof to their authenticity and odds are they are as legitimate as a three dollar bill.

My opinion, BTW

[sein und zeit]

it's too bad, i enjoyed the discussion before it veered off from healthy debate.

on a related note, i was just about to post this very fine, rare and important watch: a prototype dial/hand set commissioned by the the Intergalactic Defense Force with special all blue lume plots and hands for greater contrast in the red dust of Martian atmospheres. recently serviced but RSC will not confirm existence to do the classified nature of the commissioning agency. i am selling for 50,000€ and may have access to others.

(on an unrelated note, i am looking for 1675 dials and hands )

[dhknola]

Lapis lazuli handset and indices?? Commissioned for a Sultan in the 70's?? 50k is a bargain!^^

[Old Expat Beast]

It started getting nasty. One or two of the more offensive posts were removed so you won't see the whole picture at the end there, but it was all going downhill fast.

[TimeLord2]

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

It started getting nasty. One or two of the more offensive posts were removed so you won't see the whole picture at the end there, but it was all going downhill fast.

Yea, it was a slow moving train wreck but really quite interesting.

[ma.st.]

ah darn, sifting through what I followed prior to what I apparently missed, there was some civil and informed discourse and I learned quite a bit of new info. But yea it felt like a ticking time bomb a little too with emotions creeping in quickly.

[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by TimeLord2

Yea, it was a slow moving train wreck but really quite interesting.

The subject is still open for future debate. We're not trying to stop that line of discussion

[Rebel]

Interesting.

[antrolexsub]

Originally Posted by sein und zeit

it's too bad, i enjoyed the discussion before it veered off from healthy debate.

on a related note, i was just about to post this very fine, rare and important watch: a prototype dial/hand set commissioned by the the Intergalactic Defense Force with special all blue lume plots and hands for greater contrast in the red dust of Martian atmospheres. recently serviced but RSC will not confirm existence to do the classified nature of the commissioning agency. i am selling for 50,000€ and may have access to others.

(on an unrelated note, i am looking for 1675 dials and hands )

[uncleluck]

I always think it’s a shame when things get deleted & then locked, very frustrating to see. Surely we’re all adults here and can make up our own minds on what we think of the written words?

Even if people have to be banned for swearing why not deal with the individual instead of locking a whole thread where many have taken time to contribute and want to know where it’s going. How do we know it wasn’t about to take a definitive turn? And it puts people off posting again as it feels like a subject you can’t discuss which brings its own connotations on the forum’s stance on the subject.

[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by uncleluck

I always think it’s a shame when things get deleted & then locked, very frustrating to see. Surely we’re all adults here and can make up our own minds on what we think of the written words?

Even if people have to be banned for swearing why not deal with the individual instead of locking a whole thread where many have taken time to contribute and want to know where it’s going. How do we know it wasn’t about to take a definitive turn? And it puts people off posting again as it feels like a subject you can’t discuss which brings its own connotations on the forum’s stance on the subject.

See post #13.

[Filipão]

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

The subject is still open for future debate. We're not trying to stop that line of discussion

Good to know, thanks!

[exador]

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

The subject is still open for future debate. We're not trying to stop that line of discussion

Well let's get this party started then!

Latest reply from Bob's Watches:

From the factory, 1675 GMT-Master watches would have either had red/blue (Pepsi) or all-black bezels.
To clarify, it would not have been the Rolex factory in Geneva that installed the all-blue inserts during a routine service (they would almost certainly NOT have done that). Rather, the all-blue insert would have been a special order option, only made available to select buyers through limited channels (aka not at the standard boutique or authorized retailer).
Now, where things get complicated is when it comes to genuine Rolex components that were not originally used at the Rolex factory during initial production. Not all parts are meant to be 1:1 replacements for factory-fitted components. Service replacement parts are often direct replacements (or the service part is an updated version of the original component); however, certain bracelets used to be offered as premium options for various watch models, while other things like co-branded dials are certainly genuine but were not something that Rolex ever offered as part of their official factory catalog options.
Just like how Rolex dials that have the crest of the Sultan of Oman or the Domino's Pizza logo are certainly genuine but were never offered as a standard option available straight from the Rolex factory, Blueberry GMT inserts may very well likely fall into the same category - genuine components that were made in very small batches for specific uses/clients, but that were never made available to the general public. Consequently, Rolex can state that they never officially offered an all-blue insert for the 1675 GMT-Master; however they do not comment in regards to whether or not one of their bezel insert manufacturers at that time produced all-blue inserts for the 1675 that were only ever intended to be used for special-order watches.

[Filipão]

Is Bob's Watches referring to this letter?

[Filipão]

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Geneva, October 28th 2019
Ref. Rolex 1675 #5172609

Sir,

We refer to your letter dated past October 17th that deserved our utmost attention.

Answering your question concerning your watch insert's colour, we inform you that to the best of our knowledge, ROLEX has never produced GMT's ref. 1675 with an all blue insert.

Meanwhile, the picture you've transmitted us does not allow to clearly distinguish between what you call to be a blue insert and a black insert, whose colour might have faded with time.

Remaining at your service for all complementary information, we ask you to receive, Sir, our best regards.

Isabelle Humm
Customer's Dept.





Unquote

[exador]

And our friend John Buckley aka The Blueberry King:

[exador]

This just posted @ VRF:

Somehow I’ll can’t just keep my mouth closed even thou I should. I don’t have any sides since I never sold nor owned one of these. My friend that passed some years ago , bought and sold plenty of these, always in perfect condition starting around 500$ a pop decade’s ago. He was convinced they were real and told me that they came out of the UAE. These stories are all the same that been floating around since the beginning, changing from Cartier and so on. If you are really committed and have everything to loose I’ll sincerely feel with you! And it’s a horrible plot that got started. It’s a lot of people that have both their business ,reputations and legal matters to adress after this

[FTX I]

What amazes me is that every top seller had at least one for sale over the years with a hefty price tag of course.

[Filipão]

Originally Posted by FTX I

What amazes me is that every top seller had at least one for sale over the years with a hefty price tag of course.

Rolexpassion (now banned) sold at least seven, I took screenshots from his sold items and counted them.

[FTX I]

Originally Posted by Filipão

Rolexpassion (now banned) sold at least seven, I took screenshots from his sold items and counted them.

Will be interesting to see what will happen from now on.

[oysterquartz17000]

Originally Posted by Filipão

Rolexpassion (now banned) sold at least seven, I took screenshots from his sold items and counted them.

Ah, that explains his 'passion' on the subject. It all makes sense now.

[Filipão]

Originally Posted by oysterquartz17000

Ah, that explains his 'passion' on the subject. It all makes sense now.

Absolutely.

[sillo]

Originally Posted by FTX I

What amazes me is that every top seller had at least one for sale over the years with a hefty price tag of course.

HQ Milton has 20 in the archives

https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces/search?q=blueberry

[FTX I]

Originally Posted by sillo38

HQ Milton has 20 in the archives

I have their website on my favorites and it was normal to see one of those for sale from time to time.