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SobeSVT · 26 August 2007, 09:42 AM

If the situation doesn't resolve 100% in your favor I think that we should go ahead with USMC's plan, I will be glad to chip in. If it does though I would be nice if you give the guy one hell of a good feedback.

I bough my first used Rolex yesterday on eBay. The vendor was a private owner with good reputation and he is sending me the watch with papers and its original box. After XELOR's experience I will check if the watch is authentic though.

tomski12 · 26 August 2007, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XELOR

Now that I have the RUSA supporting documents this is his information:

AMORRIS9999 on EBAY.

I assume there's nothing wrong with posting a business address:

WWW.FINDAWATCH.COM

7512 Dr. Phillips Blvd
Suite 50-260
Orlando, Florida 32189
(407) 709-8910

RUSA Document: 11025-3973 Dated 8/21/07:

Notes:

Case & Bracelet Are Not Of Rolex Manufacture
Return As Received

That address is for a pretty upscale mall. However, the phone number is for a cell phone. I'd be curious, if this is an actual store or a virtual store. I'd hold off on going nuclear on the guy until you determine his actual response. If his response is anything other than a full refund, please post and there might be other (legal) options worth discussing.

LouCan · 26 August 2007, 10:08 AM

By then it will be to late Simon. Why chance it in the first place? It just doesn't make sense to me.

XELOR · 26 August 2007, 10:44 AM

Even RUSA initially missed the watch had non-Rolex parts.

I could still get the watch authenticated almost anywhere.

That's why I send my used purchases to Rolex directly.

I think most people just want to feel good about a great deal and don't care and/or want to know about the integrity of the watch.

So yes...my thread should be a real world example to TRF members.

Most buyers believe the used Rolex they buy is authentic.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SobeSVT

After XELOR's experience I will check if the watch is authentic though.

Destroy · 26 August 2007, 04:46 PM

Hell I was doubtful about an AD purchase until I found this site and could tick off all the "authentic" boxes.

But anyway, I've got my fingers crossed for you Xelor.

jac67 · 26 August 2007, 10:50 PM

It's good to hear that he is going to give you a full refund, however, I would get him to put this in writing via email etc. than merely by phone.

Then again, have you thought about flying to Florida to do the deal in person? I WOULD!

See, keep your cool and dialogue open and polite.

Keep us posted.

John.

SobeSVT · 26 August 2007, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LouCan

By then it will be to late Simon. Why chance it in the first place? It just doesn't make sense to me.

To be totally honest and risking sounding naive . . . the idea never crossed my mind

The deal was closed last Friday, so all I can do is sit and wait and hope for the best.

This is the thread with the description of watch . . .

XELOR · 8 September 2007, 03:53 AM

My Promised Update:

I rec'd a cashiers check today from eBay seller AMORRIS9999.

I will edit my first post (#1) to indicate the seller made good (when the check clears).

I developed an intense amount of insight.

I can only suggest that most people would never take the steps I did to authenticate a Rolex purchased on eBay.

It is hard to appreciate how virtually perfect a counterfeit Rolex watch part (s) can be.

Also, an eBay seller can give a refund for basically two reasons:

#1) They are of absolute integrity and made an honest mistake.
#2) They intentionally sell fakes and provide a refund the rare time they get caught.

(Point #2 above is intended as a general reference- not a specific reference to AMORRISS9999 or any other individual eBay seller.)

Thank You TRF For The Support- Special Attention To USMC!!! Your posts came at the perfect time.

JJ Irani · 8 September 2007, 04:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XELOR

My Promised Update:

I rec'd a cashiers check today from eBay seller AMORRIS9999.

I will edit my first post (#1) to indicate the seller made good (when the check clears).

I developed an intense amount of insight.

I can only suggest that most people would never take the steps I did to authenticate a Rolex purchased on eBay.

It is hard to appreciate how virtually perfect a counterfeit Rolex watch part (s) can be.

Also, an eBay seller can give a refund for basically two reasons:

#1) They are of absolute integrity and made an honest mistake.
#2) They intentionally sell fakes and provide a refund the rare time they get caught.

(Point #2 above is intended as a general reference- not a specific reference to AMORRISS9999 or any other individual eBay seller.)

Thank You TRF For The Support- Special Attention To USMC!!! Your posts came at the perfect time.

And now that your story finally has a happy ending.....walk in through the hallowed portals of an Authorised Rolex Dealer, ogle some delicious cleavage and get yourself the REAL McCoy!!

Good luck - JJ

XELOR · 8 September 2007, 04:17 AM

Please See Authorized JJ Post Above.

At this point my goal is for only the delicious cleavage to bounce.

roadcarver · 8 September 2007, 04:18 AM

Make sure that the check cashes!

Quote:

Originally Posted by XELOR

My Promised Update:

I rec'd a cashiers check today from eBay seller AMORRIS9999.

I will edit my first post (#1) to indicate the seller made good (when the check clears).

I developed an intense amount of insight.

I can only suggest that most people would never take the steps I did to authenticate a Rolex purchased on eBay.

It is hard to appreciate how virtually perfect a counterfeit Rolex watch part (s) can be.

Also, an eBay seller can give a refund for basically two reasons:

#1) They are of absolute integrity and made an honest mistake.
#2) They intentionally sell fakes and provide a refund the rare time they get caught.

(Point #2 above is intended as a general reference- not a specific reference to AMORRISS9999 or any other individual eBay seller.)

Thank You TRF For The Support- Special Attention To USMC!!! Your posts came at the perfect time.

XELOR · 8 September 2007, 04:23 AM

"Make sure that the check cashes!"

THIS

or:

txrob779 · 8 September 2007, 05:02 AM

I think it's pretty rare to get a genuine movement and fake parts. Usually it's the other way around. I have read where people use gen cases, crowns, bracelets, bezels and crystals and use ETA movenemt, Tudor hands and replica dials and fake people out. To get a fake with genuine movement is indeed strange. There are some serious replicators out there and again, I have bought several pre-owned Rolex's but from local dealers who authenticate the timepiece. NEVER would I ever buy a watch from Ebay, period.

JAD3703 · 8 September 2007, 05:43 AM

I lived through a similar situation with a seller on e-bay a few weeks ago. Luckily, I got almost all of my money back (I am not fussed about the small amount that I lost - I consider it lesson-learned money).

I then heeded the advice of Solar (Chris) and JJ via Chris - I went into a well known and highly reputable AD in Toronto last weekend and bought my Sea Dweller.

And it has not left my wrist since.

A really good lesson learned for me - if it is too good of a deal, chances are that it is exactly that - too good of a deal.

James

daunwaun · 8 September 2007, 07:09 AM

this story is a little confussing?? gen movement but fake everything else lol are you serious??? do you know how hard it is to find a gen movement

XELOR · 8 September 2007, 07:41 AM

This is what came back from RUSA:

RUSA Document: 11025-3973 Dated 8/21/07:

Notes:

Case & Bracelet Are Not Of Rolex Manufacture
Return As Received

The serial number is: 9526241

Quote:

Originally Posted by daunwaun

this story is a little confussing?? gen movement but fake everything else lol are you serious??? do you know how hard it is to find a gen movement

txrob779 · 8 September 2007, 08:08 AM

The Admins removed my post.............why?

Downing · 8 September 2007, 08:34 AM

Thanks for the update. I'm glad to hear it ended well.

Like JJ said, now it's time to go see an AD. Either that or someone you know and trust, like the flippers in the Classified Section of TRF.

Transient · 8 September 2007, 12:02 PM

I'm sorry, but this scenario is too typical of Ebay purchases. More bad news than good. I still can' believe that, with so many respected resellers of fine watches, people still but on ebay?? How can you spend US$2000, or whatever in that bracket, on something that you haven't seen/touched??

LouCan · 9 September 2007, 01:25 PM

An AD would have saved you $2000.

rolexmonger · 10 September 2007, 07:08 AM

Yes, I almost bought a Tudor Sub like that. Only the movment was real, and the rest, well, it was after all from Vietnam. Too nice to be true, and too clean to be vintage. Some lucky sucker paid almost $800.00 for a Tudor movement. Don't feel bad. At least you thought that what you were buying was real. Imagine buying a real Rolex for $6,000.00 only find out that most people want to pay $2,000.00, and that the one to pay you the $6,000.00 is hard to find. Believe me, even for guys that have been at it for years, mistakes do happen. In my case, all I have to do is find another guy like me to unload it on, but at least what I have is real, so the only complaint that someone can make later on is, "I paid too much," which is a relative term in the vintage watch market. Someone else always buys it for the same price if one is patient enough, but in your case it is different. Don't be too quick to judge the seller, however. If Rolex technicians didn't spot it right away, your seller might be as innocent as you. In that case, it might not be a bad sales practise to tell you to be a man and forget about it. I don't know. It is hard to tell what to do when you don't see everything clearly. You want to blame someone, but start with yourself, not with the seller. If he is intentionally selling fake stuff, he won't admit it anyway.

Hellcat65 · 11 September 2007, 12:34 PM

This is the most bizarre post Ive read in a long time...A Fake case and bracelet with an authentic movement? Come on, did anyone really think about this? Who in their right mind would even contemplate going to the trouble to swap out a cheap asian movement to install a genuine Rolex movement?
I say the seller made an honest mistake.......no harm no foul.

Destroy · 11 September 2007, 01:25 PM

The important thing is you walked away with you wallet and sanity intact. Well done.

mansion · 11 September 2007, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hellcat65

[...]
Who in their right mind would even contemplate going to the trouble to swap out a cheap asian movement to install a genuine Rolex movement?
[...]

Simple.

Take one genuine Rolex. Take one fake.

Put original Rolex movement in fake case, bracelet, etc. Put fake movement in original case, bracelet, etc.

You now have two pretty good-looking watches. One is genuine from the outside (and fake inside) and the other one, when opened, is a real Rolex.

You now have two Rolexes for sale.

XELOR · 23 September 2007, 01:54 AM

UPDATE: Counterfeit Rolex Seller Refunded All Funds And His Checked Cleared. Thank You All For The Support.

Lol-x · 23 September 2007, 01:58 AM

XELOR · 23 September 2007, 02:11 AM

I learned about how incredible many of you are -here on TRF- for trying to help.

That was the best part!

mike · 23 September 2007, 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XELOR

UPDATE: Counterfeit Rolex Seller Refunded All Funds And His Checked Cleared. Thank You All For The Support.

Great news!!

Tools · 23 September 2007, 03:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XELOR

I learned about how incredible many of you are -here on TRF- for trying to help.

That was the best part!

Generally speaking, we're a Forum Family.

Downing · 23 September 2007, 03:59 AM

That's great news!

What's next?

8 September 2007, 05:43 AM	#74
JAD3703 Non-Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UTC-5 Toronto, ON Posts: 515	I lived through a similar situation with a seller on e-bay a few weeks ago. Luckily, I got almost all of my money back (I am not fussed about the small amount that I lost - I consider it lesson-learned money). I then heeded the advice of Solar (Chris) and JJ via Chris - I went into a well known and highly reputable AD in Toronto last weekend and bought my Sea Dweller. And it has not left my wrist since. A really good lesson learned for me - if it is too good of a deal, chances are that it is exactly that - too good of a deal. James __________________ "AUT VIAM INVENIAM AUT FACIAM - "I'll either find a way or make one"

8 September 2007, 07:09 AM	#75
daunwaun "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Ken Location: toronto Watch: 18K YG Day Date Posts: 2,985	this story is a little confussing?? gen movement but fake everything else lol are you serious??? do you know how hard it is to find a gen movement __________________ DAUNWAUN

8 September 2007, 08:34 AM	#78
Downing "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Real Name: Downing Location: Portland, Oregon Watch: SD ExpII GO Nav ND Posts: 1,640	Thanks for the update. I'm glad to hear it ended well. Like JJ said, now it's time to go see an AD. Either that or someone you know and trust, like the flippers in the Classified Section of TRF. __________________ One if by land, one if by sea, one if by air and one uh, just to tell time. Rolex Explorer II White Rolex Sea-Dweller Glashütte Original Navigator Panerai 183 G Black Seal

10 September 2007, 07:08 AM	#81
rolexmonger Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mississauga Posts: 49	Fake Rolex Blues Yes, I almost bought a Tudor Sub like that. Only the movment was real, and the rest, well, it was after all from Vietnam. Too nice to be true, and too clean to be vintage. Some lucky sucker paid almost $800.00 for a Tudor movement. Don't feel bad. At least you thought that what you were buying was real. Imagine buying a real Rolex for $6,000.00 only find out that most people want to pay $2,000.00, and that the one to pay you the $6,000.00 is hard to find. Believe me, even for guys that have been at it for years, mistakes do happen. In my case, all I have to do is find another guy like me to unload it on, but at least what I have is real, so the only complaint that someone can make later on is, "I paid too much," which is a relative term in the vintage watch market. Someone else always buys it for the same price if one is patient enough, but in your case it is different. Don't be too quick to judge the seller, however. If Rolex technicians didn't spot it right away, your seller might be as innocent as you. In that case, it might not be a bad sales practise to tell you to be a man and forget about it. I don't know. It is hard to tell what to do when you don't see everything clearly. You want to blame someone, but start with yourself, not with the seller. If he is intentionally selling fake stuff, he won't admit it anyway.

23 September 2007, 03:59 AM	#90
Downing "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Real Name: Downing Location: Portland, Oregon Watch: SD ExpII GO Nav ND Posts: 1,640	That's great news! What's next? __________________ One if by land, one if by sea, one if by air and one uh, just to tell time. Rolex Explorer II White Rolex Sea-Dweller Glashütte Original Navigator Panerai 183 G Black Seal

26 August 2007, 09:42 AM	#61
SobeSVT Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Real Name: Simón Location: Miami, FL Watch: 07 Blue D Air-King Posts: 90	If the situation doesn't resolve 100% in your favor I think that we should go ahead with USMC's plan, I will be glad to chip in. If it does though I would be nice if you give the guy one hell of a good feedback. I bough my first used Rolex yesterday on eBay. The vendor was a private owner with good reputation and he is sending me the watch with papers and its original box. After XELOR's experience I will check if the watch is authentic though.

26 August 2007, 10:08 AM	#63
LouCan Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Real Name: Lou Location: New Jersey Watch: YM TT MOP Posts: 323	By then it will be to late Simon. Why chance it in the first place? It just doesn't make sense to me.

26 August 2007, 04:46 PM	#65
Destroy Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Real Name: AJ Location: Australia Posts: 732	Hell I was doubtful about an AD purchase until I found this site and could tick off all the "authentic" boxes. But anyway, I've got my fingers crossed for you Xelor.

26 August 2007, 10:50 PM	#66
jac67 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: John Location: Australia Watch: Me Posts: 1,950	It's good to hear that he is going to give you a full refund, however, I would get him to put this in writing via email etc. than merely by phone. Then again, have you thought about flying to Florida to do the deal in person? I WOULD! See, keep your cool and dialogue open and polite. Keep us posted. John.

8 September 2007, 03:53 AM	#68
XELOR Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: Vince Location: USA Posts: 170	My Promised Update: I rec'd a cashiers check today from eBay seller AMORRIS9999. I will edit my first post (#1) to indicate the seller made good (when the check clears). I developed an intense amount of insight. I can only suggest that most people would never take the steps I did to authenticate a Rolex purchased on eBay. It is hard to appreciate how virtually perfect a counterfeit Rolex watch part (s) can be. Also, an eBay seller can give a refund for basically two reasons: #1) They are of absolute integrity and made an honest mistake. #2) They intentionally sell fakes and provide a refund the rare time they get caught. (Point #2 above is intended as a general reference- not a specific reference to AMORRISS9999 or any other individual eBay seller.) Thank You TRF For The Support- Special Attention To USMC!!! Your posts came at the perfect time.

8 September 2007, 04:17 AM	#70
XELOR Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: Vince Location: USA Posts: 170	Please See Authorized JJ Post Above. At this point my goal is for only the delicious cleavage to bounce.

8 September 2007, 04:23 AM	#72
XELOR Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: Vince Location: USA Posts: 170	"Make sure that the check cashes!" THIS or:

8 September 2007, 05:02 AM	#73
txrob779 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Real Name: Rob Location: Ft.Worth, Texas Posts: 488	I think it's pretty rare to get a genuine movement and fake parts. Usually it's the other way around. I have read where people use gen cases, crowns, bracelets, bezels and crystals and use ETA movenemt, Tudor hands and replica dials and fake people out. To get a fake with genuine movement is indeed strange. There are some serious replicators out there and again, I have bought several pre-owned Rolex's but from local dealers who authenticate the timepiece. NEVER would I ever buy a watch from Ebay, period.

8 September 2007, 08:08 AM	#77
txrob779 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Real Name: Rob Location: Ft.Worth, Texas Posts: 488	The Admins removed my post.............why?

8 September 2007, 12:02 PM	#79
Transient "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Real Name: Rob Location: Sydney, Australia Watch: Rolex & Omega Posts: 697	I'm sorry, but this scenario is too typical of Ebay purchases. More bad news than good. I still can' believe that, with so many respected resellers of fine watches, people still but on ebay?? How can you spend US$2000, or whatever in that bracket, on something that you haven't seen/touched??

9 September 2007, 01:25 PM	#80
LouCan Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Real Name: Lou Location: New Jersey Watch: YM TT MOP Posts: 323	An AD would have saved you $2000.

11 September 2007, 12:34 PM	#82
Hellcat65 Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Mike Location: North Carolina Posts: 238	This is the most bizarre post Ive read in a long time...A Fake case and bracelet with an authentic movement? Come on, did anyone really think about this? Who in their right mind would even contemplate going to the trouble to swap out a cheap asian movement to install a genuine Rolex movement? I say the seller made an honest mistake.......no harm no foul.

11 September 2007, 01:25 PM	#83
Destroy Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Real Name: AJ Location: Australia Posts: 732	The important thing is you walked away with you wallet and sanity intact. Well done.

23 September 2007, 01:54 AM	#85
XELOR Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: Vince Location: USA Posts: 170	UPDATE: Counterfeit Rolex Seller Refunded All Funds And His Checked Cleared. Thank You All For The Support.

23 September 2007, 01:58 AM	#86
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,256

23 September 2007, 02:11 AM	#87
XELOR Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: Vince Location: USA Posts: 170	I learned about how incredible many of you are -here on TRF- for trying to help. That was the best part!

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