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Rolessor82 · 2 April 2021, 05:37 AM

Hi,

I'm being offered this full set 1675 from 1978 for $18,000. However I'm confused about the hour and minute hands, seller says its all original, but not sure. They kinda look relume (but I'm no vintage expert) hence, why I ask opinions here.

What you guys think?

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newkidonblock4 · 2 April 2021, 05:50 AM

Why don't you just ask for a UV pic? I feel like you've asked about relumed hands many times and haven't posted any UV photos haha

Rolessor82 · 2 April 2021, 06:02 AM

Hi,

I know haha, he won't. He says the are all original and that they don't glow...but he is also the seller :)

swish77 · 2 April 2021, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Rolessor82

Hi,

I know haha, he won't. He says the are all original and that they don't glow...but he is also the seller :)

So, he's selling a used watch for $18,000 and he won't spend $10 to get a UV flashlight and take a photo? I'd pass just based on that.

newkidonblock4 · 2 April 2021, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by swish77

So, he's selling a used watch for $18,000 and he won't spend $10 to get a UV flashlight and take a photo? I'd pass just based on that.

Maybe he's selling the watch to afford a new UV light

Swish77 is right. I would pass on that alone. Seems pretty sketchy.

joli160 · 2 April 2021, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by swish77

So, he's selling a used watch for $18,000 and he won't spend $10 to get a UV flashlight and take a photo? I'd pass just based on that.

yes, that’s a no for me as well

Rolessor82 · 2 April 2021, 08:07 AM

Thank you guys. I liked it, that's why I asked here for opinions but I'm afraid is as you all say. I'll pass.

Amazing. It could be original and not relumed but his unwillingness for an UV checkup will lose a sale.

Alex The Watch Guy · 3 April 2021, 10:36 AM

Unfortunately, UV test doesn’t buy you much these days. Tritium or luminous material can easily be mixed into the relume material for consistency. The tritium on the 24 hr hand looks cracked at the tip.

Lastly, assuming the hands are relumed, $18K for what looks to be a full set MK5 is not too bad. Of course, I can’t see the case, movement or bracelet to fully evaluate the watch.

Dan S · 3 April 2021, 10:57 AM

One can always ask this question and it’s impossible for anyone to answer with certainty based on a few photos. It’s nice to have everything original but relumed hands don’t have to disqualify a watch entirely. Find a watch you like and buy it.

Rolessor82 · 3 April 2021, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan S

Why this obsession with relumed hands by the OP? One can always ask this question and it’s impossible for anyone to answer with certainty. It’s nice to have everything original but relumed hands don’t have to disqualify a watch entirely. Find a watch you like and buy it.

Thank you. You are right. Sorry for ny insistence. I'm new to vintage so it's nice to hear more experienced opinions. But you are completely right.

lis · 3 April 2021, 12:34 PM

A full set for $18k even with relumed hands seems like a good deal, given prices these days.

1watch · 3 April 2021, 03:17 PM

If seller can’t handle this basic request, then I would look elsewhere. A correct UV test involves taking a video in dark room and running it until the light is removed and fade is complete. Easy to do with phone and UV light. Relumed hands may not disqualify, but they do have less value than original.

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lee fowler · 3 April 2021, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex The Watch Guy

Unfortunately, UV test doesn’t buy you much these days. Tritium or luminous material can easily be mixed into the relume material for consistency. The tritium on the 24 hr hand looks cracked at the tip.

Lastly, assuming the hands are relumed, $18K for what looks to be a full set MK5 is not too bad. Of course, I can’t see the case, movement or bracelet to fully evaluate the watch.

This is not the case. A set of relumed hands will not give the same reaction under a UV light as an original set.

1675-David · 3 April 2021, 05:28 PM

The hands don't stick out as being relumed and the slight colour difference suggests otherwise, 18k for this watch is not bad, it ticks all the boxes and in this sellers market this watch will sell quickly enough without the dealer having to go the extra mile to do a UV test.

TimeToGo · 3 April 2021, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by lee fowler

This is not the case. A set of relumed hands will not give the same reaction under a UV light as an original set.

Sorry but plenty of excellent work been done out there, even on plots..

Dan S · 3 April 2021, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by lee fowler

This is not the case. A set of relumed hands will not give the same reaction under a UV light as an original set.

There are people who are grinding up the old tritium lume that is removed from hands and incorporating it into new lume compound, while also color-matching it. In these cases, the response can be very similar since the old phosphor is incorporated

TimeToGo · 3 April 2021, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan S

There are people who are grinding up the old tritium lume that is removed from hands and incorporating it into new lume compound, while also color-matching it. In these cases, the response can be very similar since the old phosphor is incorporated

Been going on for years..

Alex The Watch Guy · 3 April 2021, 11:22 PM

Indeed. I hear there is a chap in the UK who has this down to a science...

swish77 · 4 April 2021, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex The Watch Guy

Unfortunately, UV test doesn’t buy you much these days. Tritium or luminous material can easily be mixed into the relume material for consistency.

A UV test is essential. I agree that in some cases it might not tell the whole story and that reluming to look original definitely takes place. However, UV can also give vital clues.

A UV photo on the OP’s example might show inconsistencies, and you’d have your answer. And if the UV photo shows perfectly matching lume, then you can either accept or do further tests, including taking out the loupe.

Either way, a UV photo is always helpful when trying to ascertain originality. Just because it’s not foolproof doesn’t mean it’s not important.

1watch · 4 April 2021, 12:51 AM

Get the UV video or move on if seller won’t comply. I don’t care about watches moving fast or not. While there are tricks being done these days, the test is still helpful, as is close examination with a loupe of the hands compared to plots if you buy and have an inspection period. Relumed hands texture will look different. I care about spending my money and knowing what I’ve got. Believe me, it matters if you ever want to sell or trade in the future.

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Alex The Watch Guy · 4 April 2021, 01:41 AM

OP has moved on from this watch and posted another watch on a new thread.

I agree, UV can provide clues, but I never put my eggs in that basket.

XavierM · 4 April 2021, 07:05 AM

Looks like this one no. ?
https://tropicalwatch.com/watches/qawe

Dan S · 4 April 2021, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by XavierM

Looks like this one no. ?
https://tropicalwatch.com/watches/qawe

How could that be? The OP is "being offered" the watch.

Alex The Watch Guy · 4 April 2021, 07:26 AM

Something seems off, no way that watch was sold for $18K @ Tropical.

Rolessor82 · 4 April 2021, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex The Watch Guy

Something seems off, no way that watch was sold for $18K @ Tropical.

Hi,
The person who bought it is reselling it to buy another one, he is collecting for a gilt one. He sent me the link from Tropical so I can get a better view of it, he is not a dealer so he doesn't have uv lights. He buys to keep and sells one every once in a while. Indeed, is this one.

TimeToGo · 4 April 2021, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex The Watch Guy

Something seems off, no way that watch was sold for $18K @ Tropical.

TimeToGo · 4 April 2021, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rolessor82

Hi,
The person who bought it is reselling it to buy another one, he is collecting for a gilt one. He sent me the link from Tropical so I can get a better view of it, he is not a dealer so he doesn't have uv lights. He buys to keep and sells one every once in a while. Indeed, is this one.

LOL

Sure..

MarcelGuinchard · 5 April 2021, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TimeToGo

LOL

Sure..

Haha, huge fake then!
Better buy directly from Jacek @Tropical. I can assure you that will be a safe, fast and seamless purchasing experience.

Rolessor82 · 5 April 2021, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MarcelGuinchard

Haha, huge fake then!
Better buy directly from Jacek @Tropical. I can assure you that will be a safe, fast and seamless purchasing experience.

That's what I'll do then. I'll start following him

3 April 2021, 10:57 AM	#9
Dan S 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 5,941	One can always ask this question and it’s impossible for anyone to answer with certainty based on a few photos. It’s nice to have everything original but relumed hands don’t have to disqualify a watch entirely. Find a watch you like and buy it. __________________ @oldwatchdan on IG

4 April 2021, 07:05 AM	#22
XavierM "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Paris, France Posts: 365	Looks like this one no. ? https://tropicalwatch.com/watches/qawe __________________ Instagram: @vert_eternel

2 April 2021, 05:50 AM	#2
newkidonblock4 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: USA Watch: Rolex Posts: 134	Why don't you just ask for a UV pic? I feel like you've asked about relumed hands many times and haven't posted any UV photos haha

2 April 2021, 06:02 AM	#3
Rolessor82 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Caribbean Posts: 421	Hi, I know haha, he won't. He says the are all original and that they don't glow...but he is also the seller :)

2 April 2021, 08:07 AM	#7
Rolessor82 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Caribbean Posts: 421	Thank you guys. I liked it, that's why I asked here for opinions but I'm afraid is as you all say. I'll pass. Amazing. It could be original and not relumed but his unwillingness for an UV checkup will lose a sale.

3 April 2021, 10:36 AM	#8
Alex The Watch Guy "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: @Home Posts: 225	Unfortunately, UV test doesn’t buy you much these days. Tritium or luminous material can easily be mixed into the relume material for consistency. The tritium on the 24 hr hand looks cracked at the tip. Lastly, assuming the hands are relumed, $18K for what looks to be a full set MK5 is not too bad. Of course, I can’t see the case, movement or bracelet to fully evaluate the watch.

3 April 2021, 12:34 PM	#11
lis "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: East Coast Watch: GMT 1675 Posts: 154	A full set for $18k even with relumed hands seems like a good deal, given prices these days.

3 April 2021, 03:17 PM	#12
1watch "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: US Posts: 657	If seller can’t handle this basic request, then I would look elsewhere. A correct UV test involves taking a video in dark room and running it until the light is removed and fade is complete. Easy to do with phone and UV light. Relumed hands may not disqualify, but they do have less value than original. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

3 April 2021, 05:28 PM	#14
1675-David "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Stockholm Posts: 6,020	The hands don't stick out as being relumed and the slight colour difference suggests otherwise, 18k for this watch is not bad, it ticks all the boxes and in this sellers market this watch will sell quickly enough without the dealer having to go the extra mile to do a UV test.

3 April 2021, 11:22 PM	#18
Alex The Watch Guy "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: @Home Posts: 225	Indeed. I hear there is a chap in the UK who has this down to a science...

4 April 2021, 12:51 AM	#20
1watch "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: US Posts: 657	Get the UV video or move on if seller won’t comply. I don’t care about watches moving fast or not. While there are tricks being done these days, the test is still helpful, as is close examination with a loupe of the hands compared to plots if you buy and have an inspection period. Relumed hands texture will look different. I care about spending my money and knowing what I’ve got. Believe me, it matters if you ever want to sell or trade in the future. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

4 April 2021, 01:41 AM	#21
Alex The Watch Guy "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: @Home Posts: 225	OP has moved on from this watch and posted another watch on a new thread. I agree, UV can provide clues, but I never put my eggs in that basket.

4 April 2021, 07:26 AM	#24
Alex The Watch Guy "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: @Home Posts: 225	Something seems off, no way that watch was sold for $18K @ Tropical.

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