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Old 7 November 2013, 10:30 PM   #1
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In recent times I have had two of my watches in for service, the Submariner with RSC and the Superocean with Breitling. To my astonishment the Breitling is +1 second over 7 days, and my Sub is +5 seconds over 24 hours. I know +5 is within COSC spec, but compared to the "low end" ETA in the Breitling I am not impressed. Should I revisit the RSC and ask for a regulation?
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Old 7 November 2013, 10:32 PM   #2
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Old 7 November 2013, 10:33 PM   #3
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Cool your jets, pal. You need more evidence than 24 hours. Besides plus 5 ain't bad, especially if it's a consistent plus 5.
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Old 7 November 2013, 10:35 PM   #4
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In recent times I have had two of my watches in for service, the Submariner with RSC and the Superocean with Breitling. To my astonishment the Breitling is +1 second over 7 days, and my Sub is +5 seconds over 24 hours. I know +5 is within COSC spec, but compared to the "low end" ETA in the Breitling I am not impressed. Should I revisit the RSC and ask for a regulation?
This comparison isn't fair as far as I'm concerned, if you want to really compare both they should go through the same "test". Try to take a look at your Submariner after a week instead of 24 hours, the mere position in which is stays at night could have an affect on its accuracy and since you probably put it in various positions through a week you may lost those five seconds soon enough.

As far as I'm concerned 5 seconds per day is more than fine for a mechanical watch, I wouldn't bother sending it back to RSC just for that. Besides, Breitling uses chronometer rater ETA movements if I remember correctly so there's nothing "low end" in that, they're just as good and accurate as Rolex movements if you ask me and your test pretty much proves it.
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Old 7 November 2013, 10:35 PM   #5
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My Ball watches with modified ETA movements outperformed the Rolexes I've had. But I also don't really care if I gain/lose a minute a week anyway.
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Old 7 November 2013, 10:36 PM   #6
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Cool your jets, pal. You need more evidence than 24 hours. Besides plus 5 ain't bad, especially if it's a consistent plus 5.
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Ok, afterburner is off now. I will revert tomorrow with a 48h +-
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Old 7 November 2013, 10:37 PM   #7
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Ok, afterburner is off now. I will revert tomorrow with a 48h +-
There ya' go! Might want to give it a week. Also, wear it, they seem to run better when worn.
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In recent times I have had two of my watches in for service, the Submariner with RSC and the Superocean with Breitling. To my astonishment the Breitling is +1 second over 7 days, and my Sub is +5 seconds over 24 hours. I know +5 is within COSC spec, but compared to the "low end" ETA in the Breitling I am not impressed. Should I revisit the RSC and ask for a regulation?
In your Breitling you will not have a low end ETA but a high end chronometer spec ETA thet do make 5 grades in most movements.And there is a vast difference between the bottom grade and two top grade movements.But no matter the movement its only as good as how its been regulated.And too have any mechanical movement to gain only one second over 7 days is perhaps one in 5-10 thousand.And you cannot test any movement over 24 hours especially one that's been recently serviced.
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Old 7 November 2013, 10:43 PM   #9
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There ya' go! Might want to give it a week. Also, wear it, they seem to run better when worn.
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Yep - Wear them hand wound and then fully & active for a couple days and then start your test. Also helps to find out what rest position they are most accurate.
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Old 7 November 2013, 10:44 PM   #10
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This comparison isn't fair as far as I'm concerned, if you want to really compare both they should go through the same "test". Try to take a look at your Submariner after a week instead of 24 hours, the mere position in which is stays at night could have an affect on its accuracy and since you probably put it in various positions through a week you may lost those five seconds soon enough.

As far as I'm concerned 5 seconds per day is more than fine for a mechanical watch, I wouldn't bother sending it back to RSC just for that. Besides, Breitling uses chronometer rater ETA movements if I remember correctly so there's nothing "low end" in that, they're just as good and accurate as Rolex movements if you ask me and your test pretty much proves it.
Thanks for constructive feedback. However, both watches are worn equally as my wife likes the bling of the Breitling and wear it every day. I've had that watch for 3 years and it has been very accurate since day one. The Rolex was gaining around 5s/day before the service and I assumed this would be dealt with as part of the work carried out. Anyways, as suggested I will undertake a more scientific approach and observe deviation over a longer period...
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Old 7 November 2013, 10:50 PM   #11
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Old 7 November 2013, 10:50 PM   #12
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My G Shock is more accurate than my Rolex watches, way more accurate. I have owned mechanical watches that cost less than a grand that are more accurate than my Rolex watches.

Sounds like someone just realised that they paid more for the name on the dial.

I personally love ETA movements. Tough, reliable and incredibly accurate when dialed in just like a Rolex movement.
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Old 7 November 2013, 10:51 PM   #13
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There ya' go! Might want to give it a week. Also, wear it, they seem to run better when worn.
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Old 7 November 2013, 10:54 PM   #14
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My G Shock is more accurate than my Rolex watches, way more accurate. I have owned mechanical watches that cost less than a grand that are more accurate than my Rolex watches.

Sounds like someone just realised that they paid more for the name on the dial.

I personally love ETA movements. Tough, reliable and incredibly accurate when dialed in just like a Rolex movement.
Ohps, not sure what I just started here.
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Old 7 November 2013, 10:56 PM   #15
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"Flabbergasted" - man, I thought something awful had happened...
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Old 7 November 2013, 10:59 PM   #16
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"Flabbergasted" - man, I thought something awful had happened...
I missed the Shinkanzen, trains in Japan are more accurate than atomic clocks
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Old 7 November 2013, 11:02 PM   #17
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I missed the Shinkanzen, trains in Japan are more accurate than atomic clocks
They are fairly punctual and efficient here, too!
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"Flabbergasted" over a 5 second a day gain on a mechanical watch? Really? Takes a heckuva lot more than that to flabbergast me.
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Old 7 November 2013, 11:06 PM   #19
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Those ETA movements are incredibly accurate. This is where the "in-house" movement superiority theory falls apart. I have never seen any in-house movement be any more accurate than a comparable ETA. Just cause they make the movement in-house doesnt make it superior to a movement only specialist like ETA. In fact in some cases its just the opposite.
Think of your Breitling like a Bentley. They have a superior out sourced BMW motor in them too.

What you should be pissed about is the inferior attention your Rolex received at the Rolex service center. +5 regulation is pathetic. Any and I mean any watch service technician should be able to regulate your watch to half that regardless of movement. Just about all mid grade movements can easily cut COSC standards in half without much effort. You probably paid more for service than the Breitling didn't you????
This is why RSC seems sloppy any overrated compared to Rikki's work. Mine came back from Rikki +.50 a day. Its one thing to get a +5 in a new watch off the factory floor, but another when you sent the watch in for individual regular service on your dime. Do some timing test as well as a power reserve test. Hopefully your watch settles back a second to +4 in the next few weeks. If it goes the other way, you will be out of COSC spec. If it were my money, I would expect at least +2 from the RSC. That's not asking ALOT.
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"Flabbergasted" over a 5 second a day gain on a mechanical watch? Really? Takes a heckuva lot more than that to flabbergast me.
The last time my flabber was truly gasted was when I got a very hefty speeding ticket on my birthday, in July. Still gasting over that one.
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Your results aren't surprising to me. I've owned three Breitlings and they were by far the most accurate mechanical watches I've owned. All of them are gone now, but not because of their timekeeping performance.
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"Flabbergasted" - man, I thought something awful had happened...
Same here.
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The last time my flabber was truly gasted was when I got a very hefty speeding ticket on my birthday, in July. Still gasting over that one.
A sure way to get over it is to get another one.
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Those ETA movements are incredibly accurate. This is where the "in-house" movement superiority theory falls apart. I have never seen any in-house movement be any more accurate than a comparable ETA. Just cause they make the movement in-house doesnt make it supetior to a movement only specialist like ETA. In fact in some cases its just the opposite.
Think of your Breitling like a Bentley. They have a superior out sourced BMW motor in them too.

What you should be pissed about is the inferior attention your Rolex received at the Rolex service center. +5 regulation is pathetic. Any and I mean anyone should be able to regulate your watch to half that. You probably pick paid more for service than the Breitling didn't you????
To be honest, the basic service fee was higher for the Breitling, even so slightly.
I like your analogy with Bentley and in-house movements (Audi is owned by VW so I think their "ETA" is VW, Rolls is BMW for the record).
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Cool your jets, pal. You need more evidence than 24 hours. Besides plus 5 ain't bad, especially if it's a consistent plus 5.
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A sure way to get over it is to get another one.
I'll pass on that, thanks!
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The last time my flabber was truly gasted was when I got a very hefty speeding ticket on my birthday, in July. Still gasting over that one.
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My AD sends my Rolexes to the RSC in New York for servicing. We have an understanding; I want my watches to run at +1 seconds per day or less. I recently had two date just serviced and a new Daytona was sent in as it ran at -2 seconds. All three now run around +1 seconds. All Rolex movements are capable of this accuracy. Rolex seems to be happy with just meeting the COSC specs because they realize that most buyers are just buying the name. I have always bought my watches from the same AD for almost forty years now and I have no problem getting the accuracy from my watches that I want, but do not really need.
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Brain freeze... What was I thinking. I should used the Lamborghini / Audi analogy. Anyway, I am surprised the Breitling was a bit more. I think Rikki's Rolex routine service is about $450.00.

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To be honest, the basic service fee was higher for the Breitling, even so slightly.
I like your analogy with Bentley and in-house movements (Audi is owned by VW so I think their "ETA" is VW, Rolls is BMW for the record).
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Brain freeze... What was I thinking. I should used the Lamborghini / Audi analogy. Anyway, I am surprised the Breitling was a bit more. I think Rikki's Rolex routine service is about $450.00.
I seem to have suffered from the same brain freeze
You spoke about Bentley/BMW, and I responded with Audi/VW. I of course meant Bentley/VW...
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