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7 November 2013, 10:30 PM | #1 |
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In recent times I have had two of my watches in for service, the Submariner with RSC and the Superocean with Breitling. To my astonishment the Breitling is +1 second over 7 days, and my Sub is +5 seconds over 24 hours. I know +5 is within COSC spec, but compared to the "low end" ETA in the Breitling I am not impressed. Should I revisit the RSC and ask for a regulation?
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Cool your jets, pal. You need more evidence than 24 hours. Besides plus 5 ain't bad, especially if it's a consistent plus 5.
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As far as I'm concerned 5 seconds per day is more than fine for a mechanical watch, I wouldn't bother sending it back to RSC just for that. Besides, Breitling uses chronometer rater ETA movements if I remember correctly so there's nothing "low end" in that, they're just as good and accurate as Rolex movements if you ask me and your test pretty much proves it.
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My Ball watches with modified ETA movements outperformed the Rolexes I've had. But I also don't really care if I gain/lose a minute a week anyway.
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Yep - Wear them hand wound and then fully & active for a couple days and then start your test. Also helps to find out what rest position they are most accurate.
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I always try to observe accuracy over a ten day time frame...
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My G Shock is more accurate than my Rolex watches, way more accurate. I have owned mechanical watches that cost less than a grand that are more accurate than my Rolex watches.
Sounds like someone just realised that they paid more for the name on the dial. I personally love ETA movements. Tough, reliable and incredibly accurate when dialed in just like a Rolex movement.
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"Flabbergasted" - man, I thought something awful had happened...
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"Flabbergasted" over a 5 second a day gain on a mechanical watch? Really? Takes a heckuva lot more than that to flabbergast me.
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Those ETA movements are incredibly accurate. This is where the "in-house" movement superiority theory falls apart. I have never seen any in-house movement be any more accurate than a comparable ETA. Just cause they make the movement in-house doesnt make it superior to a movement only specialist like ETA. In fact in some cases its just the opposite.
Think of your Breitling like a Bentley. They have a superior out sourced BMW motor in them too. What you should be pissed about is the inferior attention your Rolex received at the Rolex service center. +5 regulation is pathetic. Any and I mean any watch service technician should be able to regulate your watch to half that regardless of movement. Just about all mid grade movements can easily cut COSC standards in half without much effort. You probably paid more for service than the Breitling didn't you???? This is why RSC seems sloppy any overrated compared to Rikki's work. Mine came back from Rikki +.50 a day. Its one thing to get a +5 in a new watch off the factory floor, but another when you sent the watch in for individual regular service on your dime. Do some timing test as well as a power reserve test. Hopefully your watch settles back a second to +4 in the next few weeks. If it goes the other way, you will be out of COSC spec. If it were my money, I would expect at least +2 from the RSC. That's not asking ALOT.
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The last time my flabber was truly gasted was when I got a very hefty speeding ticket on my birthday, in July. Still gasting over that one.
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Your results aren't surprising to me. I've owned three Breitlings and they were by far the most accurate mechanical watches I've owned. All of them are gone now, but not because of their timekeeping performance.
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I like your analogy with Bentley and in-house movements (Audi is owned by VW so I think their "ETA" is VW, Rolls is BMW for the record). |
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What Dan said
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My AD sends my Rolexes to the RSC in New York for servicing. We have an understanding; I want my watches to run at +1 seconds per day or less. I recently had two date just serviced and a new Daytona was sent in as it ran at -2 seconds. All three now run around +1 seconds. All Rolex movements are capable of this accuracy. Rolex seems to be happy with just meeting the COSC specs because they realize that most buyers are just buying the name. I have always bought my watches from the same AD for almost forty years now and I have no problem getting the accuracy from my watches that I want, but do not really need.
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Brain freeze... What was I thinking. I should used the Lamborghini / Audi analogy. Anyway, I am surprised the Breitling was a bit more. I think Rikki's Rolex routine service is about $450.00.
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You spoke about Bentley/BMW, and I responded with Audi/VW. I of course meant Bentley/VW... |
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