SwissWatchExpo sold me a fake Daytona 116500 for $21,800

[CorradoBrit]

Shipping page does say free 2 day air

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by Blakerhodes

Lol well that wasn’t the plan. Was trying to get it to take on a trip, misunderstanding in regards to 2-day shipping bc every other watch I’ve purchased gets sent fedex by 10:30 am next day. I knew it was secure at home.

they didn't require a signature? thats weird.

or was someone there to sign?

[Blakerhodes]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

they didn't require a signature? thats weird.

or was someone there to sign?

Front desk signed and stored package

[crazymcmichael]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Got it removed from ebay, but privately - yes!

Well damn, so they now try to scam another and still convinced by their own good.

[rcwatches]

Having similar issues with a dealer in Florida not even interested in communicating! Sold me a blue dial skydweller as a complete set but no card and now don't want to know

[crazymcmichael]

Originally Posted by rcwatches

Having similar issues with a dealer in Florida not even interested in communicating! Sold me a blue dial skydweller as a complete set but no card and now don't want to know

wow.. Is the watch legit ?

[Mrjohnhuo]

From my eye, those hands don't seem to be crispy clean. The centre where it's bolted onto the thingy, looks so rough. All those hands look pretty rough and unrefined.

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[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by Mrjohnhuo

From my eye, those hands don't seem to be crispy clean. The centre where it's bolted onto the thingy, looks so rough. All those hands look pretty rough and unrefined.

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Thats because the "thingy" is as fake as the watch!

[CorradoBrit]

Originally Posted by Mrjohnhuo

thingy

Must be a technical term in Aussie watch parlance.

[Blakerhodes]

Originally Posted by rcwatches

Having similar issues with a dealer in Florida not even interested in communicating! Sold me a blue dial skydweller as a complete set but no card and now don't want to know

Sorry to hear that. Who was it?

[77T]

Originally Posted by Blakerhodes

Rolex service center doesn’t really offer authentication services. They fix watches and if you have a specific concern that would require a repair they will look at it. They DO NOT offer any letters or documentation if they view something as fake.. they simply tell you it’s not real. I asked 4 times for this and was told they absolutely do not do this. Swisswatchexpo has been trying to say that Rolex does offer documentation , they refused it to me at that dallas rsc.

From your description, it sounds like you went to the Dallas RSC in person? I agree they won’t give you anything in writing.

But Rolex RSC does provide documentation in a circuitous way when you mail in the watch and it proves to be a fake.

If they refuse service and return it, there will be an associated document.

If they keep it, Rolex legal has a routine retention letter for copyright violation giving you their reasons.


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[Robtayham]

Originally Posted by Blakerhodes

Yea I agree. I think they are just hoping it’s years down the road before the buyer finds out. Then they will say well it was legit when we sold it.. too late to do anything now.

Was my mistake, there are some amazing trusted sellers here and I reached out to several of the ones I know .. nobody had the watch at that particular time. I didn’t do enough research on the sellers , I believed what they were saying and I shouldn’t have. Live and learn I guess , I got the refund ...others probably won’t from them. Hopefully this helps future customers avoid those guys.

My comments were meant to be a commentary on the secondhand market resellers. Not you. We all use the terms Trusted Seller; Greys; flippers; and assume they have our best interests in mind. They don’t. Not at all.

There’s got to be a better way to ferret out the bad ones. Maybe a Yelp-type solution for these individuals as its own TRF sub-forum. So, while it won’t stop the malicious ‘bad review’; it will balance it out with other good reviews.

[77T]

Originally Posted by Robtayham

There’s got to be a better way to ferret out the bad ones. Maybe a Yelp-type solution for these individuals as its own TRF sub-forum. So, while it won’t stop the malicious ‘bad review’; it will balance it out with other good reviews.

There could be a better way to rate resellers.

But if you are referring to those outside TRF, Steve has written rules to not bring those disputes here. So creating a sub-forum isn’t likely.

Besides, they get derailed so quickly. This thread is an example - there have been so many OT comments we are losing the point.

Did SWE sell a sketchy Daytona or not?
Did they refund the buyer?



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[Blakerhodes]

Originally Posted by 77T

From your description, it sounds like you went to the Dallas RSC in person? I agree they won’t give you anything in writing.

But Rolex RSC does provide documentation in a circuitous way when you mail in the watch and it proves to be a fake.

If they refuse service and return it, there will be an associated document.

If they keep it, Rolex legal has a routine retention letter for copyright violation giving you their reasons.


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Yes I did go in person. Beautiful brand new building directly next to their old building. She said their policy regarding Rolex keeping a fake is that outside of the US they will keep it at their service centers and not return it, in the us she stated they simply tell the customer it’s a counterfeit watch and give it back to them.

What you are saying makes sense about them returning a watch with documents via mail if you aren’t local.

Rolex couldn’t have been any nicer. She said I know it’s hard to hear and I hate to tell you this but you purchased a counterfeit watch, went into the details of running the fake serial etc.

[tigey]

Swisswatchexpo 30 year experience Rolex-trained watchmakers could not tell it was a fake..This daytona can fool Joe Public and for years he will think he is wearing a genuine watch until it breaks. swisswatchexpo clearly does not know the detail and level these fakes have come and do not have the means to identify them

[AJMarcus]

Originally Posted by 123Blueface

I just don’t get that.
Why would anyone go through such trouble to fake a watch but include a genuine movement?
Perhaps OP can further clarify but I read and understood Rolex found entire watch a fake.

Doubt the movement is genuine.

[AJMarcus]

Originally Posted by Etschell

I have no idea why we are blaming the buyer here. Come on guys that is one of the worst things to do. Be better. This store is suspect at best.

Very well said

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[Lgear080]

Not the first issue w this seller. Perhaps a little research up front would have made this a no go before the funds went out. Watch is clearly no good.

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by AJMarcus

Doubt the movement is genuine.

Really
What about this?









A

[antrolexsub]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Really
What about this?









A

What’s a GMT movement got to do with the 116500 posted by OP?

[GLADIATOR]

Genuine or Fake. Or can’t you tell?

[antrolexsub]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Genuine or Fake. Or can’t you tell?

Of course I can tell. I can’t see what a genuine 3186 has to do with this thread though?

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by antrolexsub

Of course I can tell. I can’t see what a genuine 3186 has to do with this thread though?

So it’s 100% genuine.
No mods or anything- correct?

[antrolexsub]

I see where you’re going with this. The 3186 is genuine. The case may be a different story, it’s using movement tabs.

[dxbtousa]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

So it’s 100% genuine.
No mods or anything- correct?

What are you getting at?

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by AJMarcus

Doubt the movement is genuine.

ReallY What about this?

[matt009au]

So is it the conclusion that swisswatchexpo knew they were selling a fake?

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by matt009au

So is it the conclusion that swisswatchexpo knew they were selling a fake?

No, I doubt that at first.
They should know now - but its a steep learning curve.

[matt009au]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

No, I doubt that at first.
They should know now - but its a steep learning curve.

Did they relist it after it was confirmed as a fake and returned, Or did they have multiple fakes?