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Old 8 April 2007, 04:27 PM   #1
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'Regulating' your Rolex, without taking off back cover

Hi Respectable Members

After I have lost all my Rolex and other vintage timepieces, due to circumstances beyond my control, I gave away to an old friend all my old auction catalogues (including an Antiquorum Auctioneers Ltd auction cat of May, 23, 1983), documents and literature related to watches. Amongst the load was an old 1950 'THE ROLEX GUARANTEE' in the form of a small booklet (8 pp in all).

There are several headings in it, namely 'Why Rolex enjoys world-wide success', 'Why Rolex watches are of such high precision', 'Take care of your watch', 'Important advice' and 'How to wind up and set the hands of a Rolex "oyster"' . Amongst the contents, we may find 'Take care of your watch' interesting.

Since I do not know how to scan and upload the contents of the booklet and also whether my friend would allow me to do so, I reproduce here its contents which may be of interest to fellow members.


'Take care of your watch'

In order to maintain the high precision of a watch, it is important always to wind it at the same time every day. Try to accustom yourself to winding up your watch as soon as your rise in the morning, whether you leave it on your wrist or take it off, prior to sleeping.

If you do take off your watch prior to sleeping, lay it down always in the same position. There may be a few seconds variation in a watch, according to the position in which it rests, and for this reason the Official Control Offices for the rating of watches always observe variations in five different positions, for only in this way is it possible to determine the accuracy of any movement.

Please remember these pooints:
(1) A watch laid down on a table, flat with the dial up will tend to gain a few seconds during the course of the night.
(2) In a vertical position, with the winding crown pointing downwards, the watch will tend to lose a few seconds during the night.
(3) In a vertical position, with the crown pointing up, the watch will tend to lose a few more seconds than in the position indicated under (2).

Thus if your watch gains or loses a few seconds per day you are now in the position to correct this variation yourself without the help of a specialist, provided you follow the above indications.

Do not forget:
* That a Rolex is a precision watch of superior quality and that it deserves to be handled with care. Each part of its movement has to be made with great accuracy, with the result that the movement is perhaps slightly more delicate than that of an ordinary watch.
* To go to an official Rolex representative should it prove necessary to repair or regulate your Rolex watch. He alone is capable of handling the movement with the required care and technical skill it deserves.
* That Rolex has chosen its representatives amongst the most qualified specialists.
* That you can find Rolex agencies in all important cities throughout the world.

It is hoped that fellow members would find the above interesting and helpful.

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Old 8 April 2007, 04:40 PM   #2
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Thanks for taking all the trouble to post that, Orotek. Most of us are familiar with timing effects on the postioning of our watches....but I'm pretty sure many new members here will find most of that information quite helpful.

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Old 8 April 2007, 05:21 PM   #3
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Thanks for taking all the trouble to post that, Orotek. Most of us are familiar with timing effects on the postioning of our watches....but I'm pretty sure many new members here will find most of that information quite helpful.

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Hi JJ

Thanks for the response.

Your are right. It is meant more for the new members rather than someone like you and also other connoisseurs.

Anyway, since I have lost touch with the world of Rolex, does a new guarantee card contain all those facts and figures spelt out, just like the old one? It is interesting to know and do please advise.

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Old 8 April 2007, 05:24 PM   #4
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Hi JJ

Thanks for the response.

Your are right. It is meant more for the new members rather than someone like you and also other connoisseurs.

Anyway, since I have lost touch with the world of Rolex, does a new guarantee card contain all those facts and figures spelt out, just like the old one? It is interesting to know and do please advise.

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You will never find any of the above info in the new warranty sheets. This is the kind of information that can only be found on good forums like TRF!!
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You will never find any of the above info in the new warranty sheets. This is the kind of information that can only be found on good forums like TRF!!
Hi JJ

Thanks for the response

You are right. In this Rolex Forums, all members can learn alot, especially for people like me since my knowledge in this area is in dire need of tremendous upgrading.

I have also discovered, along with the old guarantee card, the chronometer certificate that came with the watch, is hand-written for just that particular watch. Can the same be said of the chronometer certificate of today?

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Hi JJ

Thanks for the response

You are right. In this Rolex Forums, all members can learn alot, especially for people like me since my knowledge in this area is in dire need of tremendous upgrading.

I have also discovered, along with the old guarantee card, the chronometer certificate that came with the watch, is hand-written for just that particular watch. Can the same be said of the chronometer certificate of today?

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Yes I can remember the old chronometer certificate and IMO you should get one today like the many other manufacturers.But today its all logged on a computer so they say.But when Rolex today makes around 850,000 to a 1.000000 watches a year,they have not got the time for individual watch certificates.


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Old 8 April 2007, 08:10 PM   #7
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Yes I can remember the old chronometer certificate and IMO you should get one today like the many other manufacturers.But today its all logged on a computer so they say.But when Rolex today makes around 850,000 to a 1.000000 watches a year,they have not got the time for individual watch certificates.


Hi padi56

Thanks for the response.

That is a great production run. Little wonder they cannot attach a hand-written one any longer.

However, will Rolex entertain a request for the chronometer certificate be issued to a particular watch, recently bought new?

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Old 8 April 2007, 09:52 PM   #8
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Hi padi56

Thanks for the response.

That is a great production run. Little wonder they cannot attach a hand-written one any longer.

However, will Rolex entertain a request for the chronometer certificate be issued to a particular watch, recently bought new?

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Afraid Rolex not anymore but Omega will upon request. The COSC test today is little more than a pure marketing ploy.With say watches like the Explorer COSC tested,and the non date Sub not COSC tested. But exactly the same movement the Cal 3130 or the Cal 3000.Now each bare movement and thats whats tested costs around £140 per movement.Now this cost is then passed on the the buyer, but now that cost has gone from £140 to around £500 per watch.Truth be told all the Rolex movement are more that capable of COSC standards. As the majority of modern day movements all brands Japanese European, Swiss, and even a few Chinese.All they need is a bit of patience and regulation.But because these movement were not made to be chronometers like Rolex.They will need more care and perhaps more regulation to keep them there and to standard.







Direct quote from Watchbore estimate that at least 15,000 Rolex movements failed in 2001-2. According to Rolex, the rejects are re-regulated or re oiled and fixed, and sent back to COSC until they pass.A Rolex direct Quote. "We don’t use COSC to tell us how good our movements are," said a source deep inside the Wilsdorf Rolex foundation. "we test them ourselves". All we want is the chronometer certification, "It’s only for marketing purposes.".
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Old 9 April 2007, 01:17 AM   #9
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Afraid Rolex not anymore but Omega will upon request. The COSC test today is little more than a pure marketing ploy.With say watches like the Explorer COSC tested,and the non date Sub not COSC tested. But exactly the same movement the Cal 3130 or the Cal 3000.Now each bare movement and thats whats tested costs around £140 per movement.Now this cost is then passed on the the buyer, but now that cost has gone from £140 to around £500 per watch.Truth be told all the Rolex movement are more that capable of COSC standards. As the majority of modern day movements all brands Japanese European, Swiss, and even a few Chinese.All they need is a bit of patience and regulation.But because these movement were not made to be chronometers like Rolex.They will need more care and perhaps more regulation to keep them there and to standard.







Direct quote from Watchbore estimate that at least 15,000 Rolex movements failed in 2001-2. According to Rolex, the rejects are re-regulated or re oiled and fixed, and sent back to COSC until they pass.A Rolex direct Quote. "We don’t use COSC to tell us how good our movements are," said a source deep inside the Wilsdorf Rolex foundation. "we test them ourselves". All we want is the chronometer certification, "It’s only for marketing purposes.".

Hi padi56

Thanks for your response.

Also, thank you for the full explanation regarding the chronometer certification.

Perhaps, prospective buyers feel more confident when they see the word 'Chronometer' on the watch dial. I fully agree with you that most of the watches of today can be regulated to achieve optimum accuracy. It all depends on the watchmaker.

During my younger days, a plus-minus 10 secs was acceptable for a watch with a choronometer ratings but today, I discover that some watches belonging to our members have an accuracy of plus-minus 2 secs, which is really excellent.

Since I have lost touch with this interesting world of watch collecting, I am able to learn alot from people like you and also other respectable members, regarding this subject. It is hoped that you and the rest do not mind, should some of my queries appear silly. It is the only way to learn and that is by asking from those who know.

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Hi padi56

Thanks for your response.

Also, thank you for the full explanation regarding the chronometer certification.

Perhaps, prospective buyers feel more confident when they see the word 'Chronometer' on the watch dial. I fully agree with you that most of the watches of today can be regulated to achieve optimum accuracy. It all depends on the watchmaker.

During my younger days, a plus-minus 10 secs was acceptable for a watch with a choronometer ratings but today, I discover that some watches belonging to our members have an accuracy of plus-minus 2 secs, which is really excellent.

Since I have lost touch with this interesting world of watch collecting, I am able to learn alot from people like you and also other respectable members, regarding this subject. It is hoped that you and the rest do not mind, should some of my queries appear silly. It is the only way to learn and that is by asking from those who know.

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Yes would agree very powerful words like and officially certified superlative chronometer .But I have several watches other than Rolex running to the Swiss COSC spec of -4 +6 seconds a day.One only cost me $80 and $15 dollars of that was postage.And one ETA 2824-2T a chronometer spec movement but tested to the higher Din European -2 +4 seconds a day.But like you say whats in a few seconds a day,and I am sure that any watch is only 10 seconds either way is still a very accurate watch indeed.The COSC test is just a bit of paper,to say the bare movement was tested and passed at the time of testing.Now what happens to that movement,on route back to Rolex then cased,then on to the AD finally to the buyer.Well perhaps thats why quite a few need re-regulating,so soon, but thats another story.
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Old 9 April 2007, 10:55 AM   #11
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Yes would agree very powerful words like and officially certified superlative chronometer .But I have several watches other than Rolex running to the Swiss COSC spec of -4 +6 seconds a day.One only cost me $80 and $15 dollars of that was postage.And one ETA 2824-2T a chronometer spec movement but tested to the higher Din European -2 +4 seconds a day.But like you say whats in a few seconds a day,and I am sure that any watch is only 10 seconds either way is still a very accurate watch indeed.The COSC test is just a bit of paper,to say the bare movement was tested and passed at the time of testing.Now what happens to that movement,on route back to Rolex then cased,then on to the AD finally to the buyer.Well perhaps thats why quite a few need re-regulating,so soon, but thats another story.
Hi padi56

Like many others, we agree to the fact that the word Chronometer builds confidence in the prospective buyers' mind.

I am surprised to learn that the fee payable, testifying a watch has qualified as a Chronometer, is pretty high. Anyway, anyone intending to purchase a Rolex has the means to absorb that extra dollars built into the price.

Apart from making one of the finest movements money can buy, Rolex marketing strategy is just first class. From day one, Wilsdorf the Great (a businessman rather than a watchmaker) has fallen in love with the word Chronometer and he knew that this word sells. Definitely, as a businessman, he knew what the market wanted. However it was not easy since, Rolex is a relatively young name compared to Patek, Vacheron and Jaeger, etc. Apparently, he managed to do the impossible, turning the youngest name into the most powerful name in the world of timekeeping. Whatever, to own a Rolex is indeed satisfying. At one time, there was a belief, 'No Omega no Switzerland' but as of now, we are sure the saying would be, 'No Rolex no Switzerland'. Unfortunately, our Wilsdorf the Great does not live long enough to enjoy this triumph. Nevertheless, he must be smiling with satisfaction in Paradise, now.

Since bygone days, virtually all movements made by Patek Philippe are Chronometers but yet to be seen a single watch with this title on its dial. Needless to say, this brand still sells very well, in spite of its extremely high price. Into it, a tremendously high quality movement must have gone in, before the name goes out. Otherwise, nobody would care to give it a second look, much less buying one.

The beauty of a Rolex with its oyster case is, from a distance one knows it has to be a Rolex and nothing else, just like the front grille of a Mercedes Benz. Again, like a Mercedes, the Oyster does not grow old but becomes a vintage. Unlike the Cellini, though a Rolex, it is unable to capture the market since it looks just like another watch from a distance and it has no character to boast.

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Hi padi56

Like many others, we agree to the fact that the word Chronometer builds confidence in the prospective buyers' mind.

I am surprised to learn that the fee payable, testifying a watch has qualified as a Chronometer, is pretty high. Anyway, anyone intending to purchase a Rolex has the means to absorb that extra dollars built into the price.

Apart from making one of the finest movements money can buy, Rolex marketing strategy is just first class. From day one, Wilsdorf the Great (a businessman rather than a watchmaker) has fallen in love with the word Chronometer and he knew that this word sells. Definitely, as a businessman, he knew what the market wanted. However it was not easy since, Rolex is a relatively young name compared to Patek, Vacheron and Jaeger, etc. Apparently, he managed to do the impossible, turning the youngest name into the most powerful name in the world of timekeeping. Whatever, to own a Rolex is indeed satisfying. At one time, there was a belief, 'No Omega no Switzerland' but as of now, we are sure the saying would be, 'No Rolex no Switzerland'. Unfortunately, our Wilsdorf the Great does not live long enough to enjoy this triumph. Nevertheless, he must be smiling with satisfaction in Paradise, now.

Since bygone days, virtually all movements made by Patek Philippe are Chronometers but yet to be seen a single watch with this title on its dial. Needless to say, this brand still sells very well, in spite of its extremely high price. Into it, a tremendously high quality movement must have gone in, before the name goes out. Otherwise, nobody would care to give it a second look, much less buying one.

The beauty of a Rolex with its oyster case is, from a distance one knows it has to be a Rolex and nothing else, just like the front grille of a Mercedes Benz. Again, like a Mercedes, the Oyster does not grow old but becomes a vintage. Unlike the Cellini, though a Rolex, it is unable to capture the market since it looks just like another watch from a distance and it has no character to boast.

Thanks and regards.
Yes would agree 100% with you old Hans was a very shrewd business man.Grasping every opportunity to get his watches in the public eye.You could say that Hans could see the power of advertising as a sheer power marketing tool.He grasped every patent new idea he could to make his watches what they are today.You could say today that the world is there Oyster.And if you took say 100 people of the streets,and asked then to choose between say a $4000 Rolex or a $30000 Patek IMHO 90% would choose the Rolex simply because of the power of the Rolex name,now that is some achievement in my book.


Rolex acquired the first patent for the twin lock crown, and in later years developed the trip-lock crown.But the true facts are that Hans Wilsdorf acquired the patent from Paul Perregaux and Georges Peret, who registered a Swiss patent in 1925 for the twin lock screw stem watertight system .He very quickly negotiated to have the Perregaux and Peret patent assigned to him. Wilsdorf then obtained a British patent on October 18, 1926.Mr Wisdorf was a very very clever business man.And with the Francis Baummgartner ??, made cases, based on a patent design by Borgel.In 1927 the Rolex Oyster was born,the rest is pure brilliant marketing history.And thats what myself truly admire about Rolex today,yes Rolex is a fine watch and product. But its Hans Wilsdorf and marketing brilliance thats made Rolex today.I would go to say that he almost brain washed the public,into thinking that Rolex is the best watch on this planet.That you got to admire,Rolex today is the most recognised watch name in this world today.A bit like Co-cola and MC Donald's today its all about Brand.And today quite a few just wear a brand,and Know very little what goes on under the hood.
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Yes would agree 100% with you old Hans was a very shrewd business man.Grasping every opportunity to get his watches in the public eye.You could say that Hans could see the power of advertising as a sheer power marketing tool.He grasped every patent new idea he could to make his watches what they are today.You could say today that the world is there Oyster.And if you took say 100 people of the streets,and asked then to choose between say a $4000 Rolex or a $30000 Patek IMHO 90% would choose the Rolex simply because of the power of the Rolex name,now that is some achievement in my book.


Rolex acquired the first patent for the twin lock crown, and in later years developed the trip-lock crown.But the true facts are that Hans Wilsdorf acquired the patent from Paul Perregaux and Georges Peret, who registered a Swiss patent in 1925 for the twin lock screw stem watertight system .He very quickly negotiated to have the Perregaux and Peret patent assigned to him. Wilsdorf then obtained a British patent on October 18, 1926.Mr Wisdorf was a very very clever business man.And with the Francis Baummgartner ??, made cases, based on a patent design by Borgel.In 1927 the Rolex Oyster was born,the rest is pure brilliant marketing history.And thats what myself truly admire about Rolex today,yes Rolex is a fine watch and product. But its Hans Wilsdorf and marketing brilliance thats made Rolex today.I would go to say that he almost brain washed the public,into thinking that Rolex is the best watch on this planet.That you got to admire,Rolex today is the most recognised watch name in this world today.A bit like Co-cola and MC Donald's today its all about Brand.And today quite a few just wear a brand,and Know very little what goes on under the hood.
Hi padi56

Thanks for the interesting information.

Apart for me, the information provided is also useful for other members who want to know the effort that had been put in by our Hans Wilsdorf before what Rolex is now. It was not an easy path, he had to undergo and following which we hope, the Rolex tradition will, like the watches, be perpetual.

Definitely, Rolex owners will be proud to have this timepiece on their wrist, day in and day out. With this 'No Rolex, No Switzerland'.

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Good information but i never take my SD off!
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Hi trashboss

Thanks for the response.

I am sure there are many, taking their Rolex as a sleeping partner. I myself find difficulty in parting with it, even for a few moments.

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Thank you, Thank RF,
I seem to be thirsting for Rolex knowledge......
I just bought my first one (new) this year (SD) and I am hooked!

I am amazed by all of them (Rolex) but for some reason once i tried on the SD I had to have it. It's perfect as my everyday watch.

Who cares if it misses a few seconds a week, i just keep it 2 mins fast and i'll have to pull the winding crown out every other month or so to fix the date. I will simply adjust the time (if needed) then. No worries.... To me, it's part of the enjoyment of owning an automatic.
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HI, I kinda knew that, too, but I have never seen that lovely Rolex paper on the issue, and I like that it it made so clear how and what to do to "regulate" ones Rolex without tampering with the back. So many thanks to you for posting. GREAT stuff

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