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mh17 · 7 December 2011, 11:12 AM

just got a Pam 111 h series off ebay and would like to know if it is authentic as it is my first panerai. paid slightly less than market price from a top seller (1000+ stars).

Appreciate the help. thanks guys!

Alex1974 · 7 December 2011, 02:21 PM

Well, just one word : congratulations !!!! :-)

It's a real PAM.

Best regards,

Alexander

bcacncnc · 7 December 2011, 02:22 PM

Offhand - looks legit to me.

InTime · 7 December 2011, 02:37 PM

only 2000 made? nice

andrew79 · 7 December 2011, 05:11 PM

looks good mate.

mh17 · 7 December 2011, 05:36 PM

Thanks guys. Now I can get a good night sleep :)

Ugog · 7 December 2011, 05:55 PM

looks real to me, congratualtions - did you get all the papers and boxes as well?

mh17 · 7 December 2011, 06:21 PM

I only have the cosc cert and manual with the pear box thus I'm posting this up to check for authenticity

destrow · 8 December 2011, 02:34 AM

legit!

JesusSandals · 8 December 2011, 07:28 AM

Strap looks nice too. congrats

HDHNTER · 8 December 2011, 09:13 AM

Looks good, congrats!

neilhellr · 8 December 2011, 10:42 AM

This is a helpful thread... I am also looking to make the jump to Panerai...

I have a good deal negotiated on this PAM 111 from the seller and wanted thoughts on Authenticity before wiring the funds...

I appreciate the expertise here as I know little about the intricacies of these watches... The names match on the sales reciep (printed) and the warranty card (hand written). Seller claims the watch comes with the boxes, as well as the band removal tool, but ONLY the leather band (no black rubber strap).

Thanks in advance for your help verifying.

-Neil

nauticajoe · 8 December 2011, 10:51 AM

Looks good from here.

Congrats!

Alex1974 · 8 December 2011, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nauticajoe

Looks good from here.

Congrats!

!!!! Attention please !!!!
I'm not so sure about the last one ! Because I know that PB519494 is a serial number to be used for FAKES !!!!

Regards,
Alex

neilhellr · 8 December 2011, 11:05 AM

That's what I thought Alex. Again, I know so little about these watches and have been trying to read up as much as I can. Is the PB------- number the "serial number" to the watch or is that the same number on ALL PAM 111's? I always see guys cover up the ----/2500 number on the backs of PAM's and thought this may actually be the "serial number".

Thanks again for any help from the experts out there... Have been looking to make the jump for quite a while and love the classic style of the 111...

-neil

bcacncnc · 8 December 2011, 11:08 AM

Hard to tell due to poor picture quality. But I hv my suspicions with this one. Just doesn't seem right.

Alex1974 · 8 December 2011, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neilhellr

That's what I thought Alex. Again, I know so little about these watches and have been trying to read up as much as I can. Is the PB------- number the "serial number" to the watch or is that the same number on ALL PAM 111's? I always see guys cover up the ----/2500 number on the backs of PAM's and thought this may actually be the "serial number".

Thanks again for any help from the experts out there... Have been looking to make the jump for quite a while and love the classic style of the 111...

-neil

PB is the serial number of the watch. OP stands for the case number.
I would ignore this offer and go for another one. I know how good the fakes look like - specially the PAM 111.

Regards,
Alex

neilhellr · 8 December 2011, 11:23 AM

That's exactly what I figured. I thought I was paying just under market. A good deal, but not worth a risk.

It's amazing the length someone will go to pass off a "fake" as real...

That said, does anyone have a line on a nice used PAM 111 or possibly 000 or 005? I've got the itch, I guess I'll have to scratch it!

Thanks in advance!

Evan614 · 8 December 2011, 12:36 PM

First 2 photos are from ebay.
next one of the watch was taken by the same camera as the two cards.
the two of the card were taken on 12/6/11.
last was a little different, just shows edited on CS5 on 12/6/11

Evan614 · 8 December 2011, 12:49 PM

noticed missing number

Alex1974 · 8 December 2011, 12:53 PM

Well, just forget this offer ! Something is not right, that's for sure.
It could be even a stolen one....

Regards,
Alex

monty` · 8 December 2011, 12:55 PM

neilhellr - i am certain the lume doesn't look right on that 111 either. personally i'd steer clear of it.

neilhellr · 8 December 2011, 02:39 PM

Thanks for the help guys! Amazing the crooks you'll run into... Put that effort into something productive...

Back on the hunt for my first Pam...

bcacncnc · 8 December 2011, 03:19 PM

Neil - have a look in the "For Sale" section on this site. There's a 111 on offer now and then. Moreover, send a message to one of the many trusted sellers here and they will for sure be able to hunt you one at a good price and give you peace of mind.

Ugog · 9 December 2011, 01:20 AM

neil -am looking at the pam catalogue and my 177 (a 111 with a titanium case)
doesn't look right to me - the pictures are of such low quality for a high priced item - its hard to tell even if it is a sandwich dial.

Surely anyone selling a legit expensive watch would take better pictures?

Chaos · 9 December 2011, 01:49 AM

it's fake indeed

there are two main things on movmt:

1- engraved OFFICINE PANERAI is too big, the colour of engraving is off - typical fake
2- the bevels on jewels are too vertical -- look at gen and it's easy to spot it -- and it's quite difficult to any fake to match that.

best

jhilly8982 · 9 December 2011, 09:23 AM

The CG pin is also round, not flat and flush with the CG.

sallyhats · 11 December 2011, 02:14 PM

Doesn't the Lume look really yellow for some reason. I've seen fakes with the same color yellow.

zeroshiki · 12 December 2011, 02:46 AM

the warranty card doesnt even look right.

balak · 12 December 2011, 05:43 AM

Guys you are the best!!!

7 December 2011, 02:22 PM	#3
bcacncnc "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Bryan Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,577	Offhand - looks legit to me. __________________ Omega Panerai Chopard Grand Seiko

7 December 2011, 05:11 PM	#5
andrew79 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Andrew Location: Indonesia Watch: Rolex Posts: 2,277	looks good mate. __________________ Baume & Mercier Riviera Rolex GMT II c, DJ 116234, Sub 16610, EXP 2 16570 Panerai 111 , 232

8 December 2011, 09:13 AM	#11
HDHNTER "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Real Name: Allen Location: SC Posts: 2,766	Looks good, congrats! __________________ Instagram @HDHNTER

8 December 2011, 11:08 AM	#16
bcacncnc "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Bryan Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,577	Hard to tell due to poor picture quality. But I hv my suspicions with this one. Just doesn't seem right. __________________ Omega Panerai Chopard Grand Seiko

8 December 2011, 12:36 PM	#19
Evan614 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Buckeye Nation Watch: out 4 Panerai bug Posts: 414	First 2 photos are from ebay. next one of the watch was taken by the same camera as the two cards. the two of the card were taken on 12/6/11. last was a little different, just shows edited on CS5 on 12/6/11 __________________ #1 Two-Tone Yachtmaster, Blue -Z series #2 White Daytona SS - Z series #3 PAM 88 M Future dissolution of monetary funds will be for a Panerai 212

7 December 2011, 02:21 PM	#2
Alex1974 Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Real Name: Alexander Location: China Posts: 89	Well, just one word : congratulations !!!! :-) It's a real PAM. Best regards, Alexander

7 December 2011, 02:37 PM	#4
InTime Banned Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: BermudaAntarctica Posts: 892	only 2000 made? nice

7 December 2011, 05:36 PM	#6
mh17 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Kuala Lumpur Watch: 5513 Posts: 110	Thanks guys. Now I can get a good night sleep :)

7 December 2011, 05:55 PM	#7
Ugog "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Dublin Posts: 80	looks real to me, congratualtions - did you get all the papers and boxes as well?

7 December 2011, 06:21 PM	#8
mh17 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Kuala Lumpur Watch: 5513 Posts: 110	I only have the cosc cert and manual with the pear box thus I'm posting this up to check for authenticity

8 December 2011, 02:34 AM	#9
destrow "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: New Orleans Posts: 145	legit!

8 December 2011, 07:28 AM	#10
JesusSandals Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: UK Posts: 135	Strap looks nice too. congrats

8 December 2011, 10:51 AM	#13
nauticajoe "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Joe Location: PA Posts: 14,774	Looks good from here. Congrats!

8 December 2011, 11:05 AM	#15
neilhellr "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4	That's what I thought Alex. Again, I know so little about these watches and have been trying to read up as much as I can. Is the PB------- number the "serial number" to the watch or is that the same number on ALL PAM 111's? I always see guys cover up the ----/2500 number on the backs of PAM's and thought this may actually be the "serial number". Thanks again for any help from the experts out there... Have been looking to make the jump for quite a while and love the classic style of the 111... -neil

8 December 2011, 11:23 AM	#18
neilhellr "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4	That's exactly what I figured. I thought I was paying just under market. A good deal, but not worth a risk. It's amazing the length someone will go to pass off a "fake" as real... That said, does anyone have a line on a nice used PAM 111 or possibly 000 or 005? I've got the itch, I guess I'll have to scratch it! Thanks in advance!

8 December 2011, 12:53 PM	#21
Alex1974 Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Real Name: Alexander Location: China Posts: 89	Well, just forget this offer ! Something is not right, that's for sure. It could be even a stolen one.... Regards, Alex

8 December 2011, 12:55 PM	#22
monty` Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 30	neilhellr - i am certain the lume doesn't look right on that 111 either. personally i'd steer clear of it.

8 December 2011, 02:39 PM	#23
neilhellr "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4	Thanks for the help guys! Amazing the crooks you'll run into... Put that effort into something productive... Back on the hunt for my first Pam...

8 December 2011, 03:19 PM	#24
bcacncnc "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Bryan Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,577	Neil - have a look in the "For Sale" section on this site. There's a 111 on offer now and then. Moreover, send a message to one of the many trusted sellers here and they will for sure be able to hunt you one at a good price and give you peace of mind. __________________ Omega Panerai Chopard Grand Seiko

9 December 2011, 01:20 AM	#25
Ugog "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Dublin Posts: 80	neil -am looking at the pam catalogue and my 177 (a 111 with a titanium case) doesn't look right to me - the pictures are of such low quality for a high priced item - its hard to tell even if it is a sandwich dial. Surely anyone selling a legit expensive watch would take better pictures?

9 December 2011, 01:49 AM	#26
Chaos "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Toronto Posts: 309	it's fake indeed there are two main things on movmt: 1- engraved OFFICINE PANERAI is too big, the colour of engraving is off - typical fake 2- the bevels on jewels are too vertical -- look at gen and it's easy to spot it -- and it's quite difficult to any fake to match that. best

9 December 2011, 09:23 AM	#27
jhilly8982 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: chicago Posts: 334	The CG pin is also round, not flat and flush with the CG.

11 December 2011, 02:14 PM	#28
sallyhats "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: new york Watch: PAM111, BLNR Posts: 242	Doesn't the Lume look really yellow for some reason. I've seen fakes with the same color yellow.

12 December 2011, 02:46 AM	#29
zeroshiki "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: paul Location: surabaya Posts: 321	the warranty card doesnt even look right.

12 December 2011, 05:43 AM	#30
balak "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: greece Watch: sub 16610,pam 111 Posts: 77	Guys you are the best!!!

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