ROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEX
14 May 2020, 09:44 AM | #1 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 15
|
PAM 560 vs PAM 914
Dear forum members, dear paneristi,
This is my first post in this forum, and I didn‘t expect it to appear in the Panerai subsection.. I originally registered because of...of course... Rolex watches, but because I‘m looking for a balanced collection, I see myself more and more attracted to the Panerai Luminor collection. Here‘s what I have so far: - Omega Speedmaster Professional - Rolex Submariner Green - IWC Aquatimer Edition Jacques Cousteau - Nomos Ludwig 38mm - An old Eterna Eternamatic from my grandfather - Seiko SKX007 Now I‘m thinking about a Panerai Luminor primarily because of this incredibly special design. Since the collection is huge and confusing (at least to me), I haven‘t yet converged on a specific model. Some specifics that I would like: not larger than 44mm, sandwich dial, as uncluttered as possible, and not too expensive (my wife is only a fan of my hobby as long as I‘m not getting too crazy, so a ‚reasonable‘ price helps here;-). So far I have two favorites: The Luminor Base 8 Days (PAM00560) and the Luminor Base (PAM00914) (Sorry, I cannot post links yet!) I would like to ask you two questions regarding these watches: 1. What are the differences between them? Because they look pretty similar...besides that it says 8 Days on the 560 and 8 Giorni on the 914...maybe the lume color is also different, but this could be due to the rendering... 2. Is the P.5000 a good calibre? I heard some rumors that Panerai had problems with this, especially after the launch, and I would be interested if you can say anything about the current quality of this movement. Many thanks for helping me with this, and please feel free to mention other watches that might fight my above criteria. Best wishes, Peter (originally from Germany, usually living in Switzerland, but currently in Providence, RI) |
14 May 2020, 09:35 PM | #2 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 4,122
|
The differences are minor from my understanding and mostly aesthetic, though I'd check to see if one has a screwdown caseback versus snap on. Regardless, if you are asking specifically about the P5000 movement, I had two watches with this movement and had problems with it. I've mentioned it many times on this forum, but I think it does bear pointing out considering it is the only in house movement I have had an issue with.
It runs extremely fast when fully wound. In 24 hours, my watch gained almost 2 minutes, then it more or less evens out until it runs out. I understand that one accepts a certain inaccuracy when dealing with manual wind watches, but this was excessive in my opinion. I had the 610 and 563, both had this movement and both ran identical. Others have pointed this out to Panerai and they have said that this is normal. I have also been informed by other owners of the P5000 movement, that this has changed and the movement is either more accurate or they have not had this issue. I am not saying my experience is the law, just my experience. It bothered me enough that I ended up selling these two pieces and avoid this movement for that reason. |
15 May 2020, 10:07 AM | #3 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 15
|
Thank you for your input, Evan!
Hm, it seems it‘s more difficult than I thought to find the ‚right‘ Panerai.. |
15 May 2020, 03:13 PM | #4 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Munich
Posts: 119
|
It is typical for watches with a lot of power reserve to run faster when fully wound.
|
15 May 2020, 05:27 PM | #5 | |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Aug 2019
Real Name: Martin
Location: England
Watch: 124060 Submariner
Posts: 2,871
|
Quote:
These are luxury watches, shouldn't they be designed to run accurately from the moment it is fully wound irrespective of the amount of power reserve?
__________________
Martin Small Rolex, Omega, Seiko and Oris Collection |
|
15 May 2020, 06:51 PM | #6 | |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Munich
Posts: 119
|
Quote:
There is a reason why not many watches offer such long power reserves. But as jcb said if I want to know the time I look on my phone. |
|
16 May 2020, 07:40 AM | #7 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Aug 2019
Real Name: Martin
Location: England
Watch: 124060 Submariner
Posts: 2,871
|
Thanks for the explanation, does this affect all 8 day watches?
__________________
Martin Small Rolex, Omega, Seiko and Oris Collection |
16 May 2020, 04:47 PM | #8 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Munich
Posts: 119
|
|
16 May 2020, 08:37 PM | #9 | |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Aug 2019
Real Name: Martin
Location: England
Watch: 124060 Submariner
Posts: 2,871
|
Quote:
__________________
Martin Small Rolex, Omega, Seiko and Oris Collection |
|
17 May 2020, 03:49 AM | #10 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Dec 2017
Real Name: Matt
Location: UK
Posts: 1,235
|
All I can say is I have a 564 with P5000 movement and never had this issue. My watch is from 2019 but I had read about that banking issues but thankfully mine has been incredibly accurate. From what I’ve read seem that issue has been resolved with later movements and I can confirm mine is all good.
|
17 May 2020, 04:50 AM | #11 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: city by the bay
Watch: 116613LN/PAM560
Posts: 118
|
I have the PAM560 and love it. Haven't had an issue.
|
17 May 2020, 05:56 AM | #12 | |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Aug 2019
Real Name: Martin
Location: England
Watch: 124060 Submariner
Posts: 2,871
|
Quote:
__________________
Martin Small Rolex, Omega, Seiko and Oris Collection |
|
23 May 2020, 04:59 AM | #13 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: May 2020
Location: Brussels
Posts: 5
|
The P5000 of my 564 R serie is very good. +3 sec a day on average which I believe to be very good.
I have heard that only very early series had some issues which could be covered by guarantee or during next service. My serie is good, stable and a nice to wind :) Envoyé de mon SM-N975F en utilisant Tapatalk |
23 May 2020, 06:57 AM | #14 | |
2024 Pledge Member
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: U.S./Vienna, AT
Posts: 1,967
|
Quote:
I also have the 5000 movement, and while I do not have a timing machine, it’s very accurate. When I conducted my research on said movement, several owners complained about the movement running fast when at full power. One of the tricks was fully wind the movement, wait circa 30 minutes, and then set the watch. If this claim is correct then the 5000 movement runs fast only for few minutes and the power is evenly distributed for the remainder of the power reserve. Would be interesting if the owners of this movement tested their watches with this method. |
|
15 June 2020, 08:53 AM | #15 |
"TRF" Member
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: USA
Posts: 6
|
I’m in this exact same dilemma. I’m interested in these two watches, identically and would love anyone else’s opinion on things. Specifically, the differences between the two watches...
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | |
|
|
*Banners
Of The Month*
This space is provided to horological resources.