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Andygmt2 · 22 July 2019, 10:20 AM

Hi All

Am new to purchasing ‘older’ Rolex pieces so some advice would be much appreciated. My currently collection consists of mainly the ceramic versions of the GMTs/Subs/Daytona’s etc, however I’ve been looking into potentially purchasing the 16710, in particular the 2006/07 models.

My slight concern is could grey dealers be selling a ‘LN’ black version of the GMT but putting a ‘Pepsi bezel’ insert to sell for more or would it state LN or BLRO on the original papers?

Also, any recommendations on where to purchase and if RSC you could purchase genuine ‘coke’ bezel insert and new bracelets from St James, London RSC?

Beckster · 22 July 2019, 10:31 AM

Yes. I did get bezel inserts from Rolex St James, but that was last year. You might need to call them just to check again if they still do. Bracelets as well are available there.

Regarding your first question that may be a tough one as most of the time you may not be able to tell which insert it originally came with. Some papers do indicate the original insert colours but most of the time you can’t tell. Only Rolex has the database which would have that information.

Alternatively you could get one with a black insert for a better price then source for the other inserts that you are looking for. Good luck!

inadeje · 22 July 2019, 11:56 AM

As far as I know, based on my research when I bought mine, the only 16710’s that came with the bezel variant (pepsi/coke/black) insert mentioned on the warranty card were the last couple of years of US watches. Therefore, Rolex would not generally have any idea, nor care, which insert your watch had and will literally fit whatever you want.

VacherObsessive · 22 July 2019, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Andygmt2

Hi All

Am new to purchasing ‘older’ Rolex pieces so some advice would be much appreciated. My currently collection consists of mainly the ceramic versions of the GMTs/Subs/Daytona’s etc, however I’ve been looking into potentially purchasing the 16710, in particular the 2006/07 models.

My slight concern is could grey dealers be selling a ‘LN’ black version of the GMT but putting a ‘Pepsi bezel’ insert to sell for more or would it state LN or BLRO on the original papers?

Also, any recommendations on where to purchase and if RSC you could purchase genuine ‘coke’ bezel insert and new bracelets from St James, London RSC?

You can change the bezel to anything you want in Rolex service centre in london

I just did it for my wife. It’s £55 to change to any colour

Please read here

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...98#post9830598

Stevec14 · 22 July 2019, 09:50 PM

You can do anything you like. I don’t want to open a can of worms but I did speak to Rolex who said anything but if it’s came as an LN then no. I tried with my original LN and they would not change the bezel (uk watch, LN on hangtag) and I know others that have had the same issue.

That said, the poster above seems to have had more luck so maybe they are less stringent than they were.

Mines a 2005 now and they sold me a jubilee and Pepsi/black bezels no issues at all.

Stevec14 · 22 July 2019, 09:51 PM

For the record, the jubilee is 850 quid and the inserts 55 each.

Dsmith1974 · 22 July 2019, 10:01 PM

Makes no difference. Don’t pay more for a Pepsi as RSC will for you one for £50.

Only things to consider are the amount of metal/shape of the case, whether it’s reported as stolen and if it has papers or recent RSC service card.

Being stolen is the most important but also the hardest to check (if private sale). The others should be reflected in the price. So choose an example that fits your wallet.

Great choice on the 16710 btw. Look forward to an update!

harvey · 22 July 2019, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Stevec14

For the record, the jubilee is 850 quid and the inserts 55 each.

I got mine for £850 through my AD but direct from St. James I was quoted £900 by Rolex.

Stevec14 · 22 July 2019, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by harvey

I got mine for £850 through my AD but direct from St. James I was quoted £900 by Rolex.

It was defo 850 at st James when I got mine last August.

Andygmt2 · 23 July 2019, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Beckster

Yes. I did get bezel inserts from Rolex St James, but that was last year. You might need to call them just to check again if they still do. Bracelets as well are available there.

Regarding your first question that may be a tough one as most of the time you may not be able to tell which insert it originally came with. Some papers do indicate the original insert colours but most of the time you can’t tell. Only Rolex has the database which would have that information.

Alternatively you could get one with a black insert for a better price then source for the other inserts that you are looking for. Good luck!

Thank you all for the insight and responses. Very much appreciated, extremely helpful indeed.

I do have an eye for one (2007 z series), comes with original box/papers - UK supplied originally along with RSC card July 2019/work carried out for c£11.4k.

Andygmt2 · 23 July 2019, 04:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VacherObsessive

You can change the bezel to anything you want in Rolex service centre in london

I just did it for my wife. It’s £55 to change to any colour

Please read here

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...98#post9830598

Brilliant review, Thanks for the heads up. Much appreciated

VacherObsessive · 23 July 2019, 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andygmt2

Thank you all for the insight and responses. Very much appreciated, extremely helpful indeed.

I do have an eye for one (2007 z series), comes with original box/papers - UK supplied originally along with RSC card July 2019/work carried out for c£11.4k.

£11.4k that is expensive mate

Andygmt2 · 23 July 2019, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by VacherObsessive

£11.4k that is expensive mate

Ah..
what are your thoughts in terms of price range mate, would you think c2006/07 be around £10k or less?

OysterBracelet · 23 July 2019, 05:06 AM

As mentioned in the other thread, watch out for RSC St James's closing in September.

If you are prepared to travel, you can go to RSC Kings Hill in Kent and get the same service.

PepsiBezel · 23 July 2019, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inadeje

As far as I know, based on my research when I bought mine, the only 16710’s that came with the bezel variant (pepsi/coke/black) insert mentioned on the warranty card were the last couple of years of US watches. Therefore, Rolex would not generally have any idea, nor care, which insert your watch had and will literally fit whatever you want.

Rolex knows, and many RSCs care. I took mine to an RSC in Asia, with a black bezel insert, and I asked for a Coke. They took the watch back, and said it can only be a Pepsi.

Of course, I knew mine was a Pepsi. It wasn’t on the original punch paper warranty, but the hang tag referenced 16710BLRO. I also have paperwork from Dallas RSC, and so I looked at that, and they referenced it as BLRO as well.

So, hunt the complete sets if you want certainty the watch was born a Pepsi.

Stevec14 · 23 July 2019, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Andygmt2

Ah..
what are your thoughts in terms of price range mate, would you think c2006/07 be around £10k or less?

Its maybe a little high, but It’s not too bad for a 2007. Does it have a stick/rectangle dial, or 3186 movement?

I’d maybe try to knock a few quid off but the later watches are priced quite high generally and this doesn’t see too far out from others I’ve seen. Rolex service this year is a bonus.

Andygmt2 · 23 July 2019, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryFlashman

Rolex knows, and many RSCs care. I took mine to an RSC in Asia, with a black bezel insert, and I asked for a Coke. They took the watch back, and said it can only be a Pepsi.

Of course, I knew mine was a Pepsi. It wasn’t on the original punch paper warranty, but the hang tag referenced 16710BLRO. I also have paperwork from Dallas RSC, and so I looked at that, and they referenced it as BLRO as well.

So, hunt the complete sets if you want certainty the watch was born a Pepsi.

Thanks for the insight. Just doing some research online, and believe that, if the reference has an A = coke, B = Pepsi, N = Black. So either A or B is ok I guess if I take it to an RSC to get bezel insert.

Andygmt2 · 23 July 2019, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stevec14

Its maybe a little high, but It’s not too bad for a 2007. Does it have a stick/rectangle dial, or 3186 movement?

I’d maybe try to knock a few quid off but the later watches are priced quite high generally and this doesn’t see too far out from others I’ve seen. Rolex service this year is a bonus.

Thanks for the advice, really useful to know. Not sure about the dial, but it has a 3185 movement. From what I can see on Chrono24, ones with 3186 late 2007 are about c£15k.

I think some of these pre owned dealers, the going rate for an 06/07 16710 is just under c£11k as there are hardly any under £10k. Sounds quite expensive..

Welcome others thoughts

Stevec14 · 23 July 2019, 07:09 PM

Yep, it’s certainly at the top end but it’s had a service which you’d probably want to do eventually if you picked one up. If you could knock them to somewhere under 11k then it might be ok.

It’s amazing how these have jumped.i picked up a 2005 full set last August for £8k

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Andygmt2 · 23 July 2019, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stevec14

Yep, it’s certainly at the top end but it’s had a service which you’d probably want to do eventually if you picked one up. If you could knock them to somewhere under 11k then it might be ok.

It’s amazing how these have jumped.i picked up a 2005 full set last August for £8k

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Yeah, will see how things go. Thanks.

I’d been reading up on how this piece has jumped over the last 2 years. 2017 c£6k-£7k, 2018 c£8k-£9k, now it’s c£10k-£12k

jaySL350 · 23 July 2019, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stevec14

Yep, it’s certainly at the top end but it’s had a service which you’d probably want to do eventually if you picked one up. If you could knock them to somewhere under 11k then it might be ok.

It’s amazing how these have jumped.i picked up a 2005 full set last August for £8k

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Blimey Steve,,
That was perfect timing,,,
It’s a reference I will purchase in the future ,,
14k for a late model at present,,

harvey · 23 July 2019, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jaySL350

Blimey Steve,,
That was perfect timing,,,
It’s a reference I will purchase in the future ,,
14k for a late model at present,,

Jay would that be for a M serial reference?

I need to get a valuation for my Z serial which I bought brand new in 2008. It's not been worn yet and remains stickered up.

Onequik135i · 23 July 2019, 09:28 PM

Wow, you purchased your 16710 new back then & still haven’t worn it since ? If it’s the 3185 the value would prob be around 19k or so I would imagine.

harvey · 23 July 2019, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Onequik135i

Wow, you purchased your 16710 new back then & still haven’t worn it since ? If it’s the 3185 the value would prob be around 19k or so I would imagine.

It's to be gifted to my brother.

JonaG · 23 July 2019, 09:42 PM

When I bought my 2007 z Pepsi last November ($10.1k, £8.1k) people said it was expensive. I’ve no regrets as I love the piece. I’d go for it if great condition and you can get him down a bit. I took mine to RSC this March so I should add that to the cost, good the one you want has been done.

jaySL350 · 23 July 2019, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by harvey

Jay would that be for a M serial reference?

I need to get a valuation for my Z serial which I bought brand new in 2008. It's not been worn yet and remains stickered up.

Sorry Harvey,, don’t know the serial but it was a 2005, no holes,,sel,full set,
I imagine your piece will be a small fortune and easily eclipse the £14k 16710 that WF have for sale,,

Steve36Efc · 24 July 2019, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Andygmt2

Yeah, will see how things go. Thanks.

I’d been reading up on how this piece has jumped over the last 2 years. 2017 c£6k-£7k, 2018 c£8k-£9k, now it’s c£10k-£12k

I sold my 1997 GMTII Coke bezel all boxes and papers for £3300 in March 2016

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No regrets... you live and learn

3sheets86 · 24 July 2019, 02:00 AM

I bought my 2004 last May for £8,250 and I thought it was overpriced but it was the best I could find which was the most important thing to me. Glad I bought it when I did!

harvey · 24 July 2019, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by jaySL350

Sorry Harvey,, don’t know the serial but it was a 2005, no holes,,sel,full set,
I imagine your piece will be a small fortune and easily eclipse the £14k 16710 that WF have for sale,,

Thank you Jay.

Here's the thread from May 2008 when I bought it. A forum member helped me...

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=39470

Andygmt2 · 24 July 2019, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve36Efc

I sold my 1997 GMTII Coke bezel all boxes and papers for £3300 in March 2016

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No regrets... you live and learn

Nice piece you had. But you still made a little on it right? :)

22 July 2019, 10:20 AM	#1
Andygmt2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Uk Posts: 152	Rolex GMT 16710 Advice UK Hi All Am new to purchasing ‘older’ Rolex pieces so some advice would be much appreciated. My currently collection consists of mainly the ceramic versions of the GMTs/Subs/Daytona’s etc, however I’ve been looking into potentially purchasing the 16710, in particular the 2006/07 models. My slight concern is could grey dealers be selling a ‘LN’ black version of the GMT but putting a ‘Pepsi bezel’ insert to sell for more or would it state LN or BLRO on the original papers? Also, any recommendations on where to purchase and if RSC you could purchase genuine ‘coke’ bezel insert and new bracelets from St James, London RSC?

22 July 2019, 10:31 AM	#2
Beckster "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Singapore Watch: 16710 BLRO Posts: 836	Yes. I did get bezel inserts from Rolex St James, but that was last year. You might need to call them just to check again if they still do. Bracelets as well are available there. Regarding your first question that may be a tough one as most of the time you may not be able to tell which insert it originally came with. Some papers do indicate the original insert colours but most of the time you can’t tell. Only Rolex has the database which would have that information. Alternatively you could get one with a black insert for a better price then source for the other inserts that you are looking for. Good luck! __________________ Rolex Only Please

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inadeje 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Miami Watch: me lose count. Posts: 5,568	As far as I know, based on my research when I bought mine, the only 16710’s that came with the bezel variant (pepsi/coke/black) insert mentioned on the warranty card were the last couple of years of US watches. Therefore, Rolex would not generally have any idea, nor care, which insert your watch had and will literally fit whatever you want. __________________ ♛ 116689 ♛ 116500LN Blk ♛ 116500LN Wht ♛ Sky Dweller 326934-003 ♛ 126710BLNR ♛ 126710BLRO - ♛ 126610LV ♛ 16520 ♛ 16523 ♛ 16610 ♛ 5513 Birth Year - ✠ Patek Philippe 5980/1A-001 - AP 26331ST Panda - Panerai Fiddy 127, Bronzo 671, 687, 111, Ω Speedmaster 1957 Broad Arrow, Daniel Roth Endurer Chronosprint, Cartier Santos XL - ✿ Tudor Black Bay 58 Bronze M79012M, Montblanc TimeWalker Chrono 41

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23 July 2019, 09:42 PM	#25
JonaG "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2018 Real Name: Jonathan Location: East Watch: ... Posts: 1,171	When I bought my 2007 z Pepsi last November ($10.1k, £8.1k) people said it was expensive. I’ve no regrets as I love the piece. I’d go for it if great condition and you can get him down a bit. I took mine to RSC this March so I should add that to the cost, good the one you want has been done. __________________ Yacht-Master 126622, GMT-Master II 16710, Submariner 114060, Sea-Dweller 16600, Panerai Luminor PAM111 Lange Saxonia Moon Phase 384.029, Tudor Black Bay Harrods M79230G.

22 July 2019, 09:50 PM	#5
Stevec14 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Real Name: Steve Location: U.K. Watch: 321, Snoopy 3 Posts: 4,400	You can do anything you like. I don’t want to open a can of worms but I did speak to Rolex who said anything but if it’s came as an LN then no. I tried with my original LN and they would not change the bezel (uk watch, LN on hangtag) and I know others that have had the same issue. That said, the poster above seems to have had more luck so maybe they are less stringent than they were. Mines a 2005 now and they sold me a jubilee and Pepsi/black bezels no issues at all.

22 July 2019, 09:51 PM	#6
Stevec14 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Real Name: Steve Location: U.K. Watch: 321, Snoopy 3 Posts: 4,400	For the record, the jubilee is 850 quid and the inserts 55 each.

22 July 2019, 10:01 PM	#7
Dsmith1974 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Real Name: Duncan Location: London Watch: DD 40 Posts: 2,262	Makes no difference. Don’t pay more for a Pepsi as RSC will for you one for £50. Only things to consider are the amount of metal/shape of the case, whether it’s reported as stolen and if it has papers or recent RSC service card. Being stolen is the most important but also the hardest to check (if private sale). The others should be reflected in the price. So choose an example that fits your wallet. Great choice on the 16710 btw. Look forward to an update!

23 July 2019, 05:06 AM	#14
OysterBracelet Banned Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: UK Posts: 276	As mentioned in the other thread, watch out for RSC St James's closing in September. If you are prepared to travel, you can go to RSC Kings Hill in Kent and get the same service.

23 July 2019, 07:09 PM	#19
Stevec14 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Real Name: Steve Location: U.K. Watch: 321, Snoopy 3 Posts: 4,400	Yep, it’s certainly at the top end but it’s had a service which you’d probably want to do eventually if you picked one up. If you could knock them to somewhere under 11k then it might be ok. It’s amazing how these have jumped.i picked up a 2005 full set last August for £8k Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

24 July 2019, 02:00 AM	#28
3sheets86 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: UK Posts: 548	I bought my 2004 last May for £8,250 and I thought it was overpriced but it was the best I could find which was the most important thing to me. Glad I bought it when I did!

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