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FK77 · 8 March 2017, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Warg

Really? What is the going rate from an AD in Amsterdam for a SubC black dial/ bezel if you don't mind me asking?

The list prices are higher than the UK in Netherlands but if you get a discount that might change things. 2 years ago I was offered a 10% discount on a SS GMT II LN by the Rolex Boutique at Gassan Diamonds BV (NOT the Gassan store at Dam Square) which, if I remember correctly, would have brought the price below UK retail even at the lower UK prices back then. I put my name on their BLNR list and declined the LN as I was feeling adventurous and wanted to try my luck at Gassan Schiphol Airport for a better discount (effectively 18%). Gassan Schiphol don't reveal their stock over the phone/email (not to me anyway). They didn't have the GMT on display and denied having any stock. After a lot of persistence they decided to "check inside" and I returned to London with my first Rolex and about £1000 cheaper than UK retail! Earlier this year I bought a Lady DateJust from Schiphol for my wife and got even more discount over the standard 18% after a lot of haggling but it wasn't a SS model.

Oh and Gassan BV did call me a few months after my visit informing me they had a BLNR and I could have it. There was zero discount which combined with a trip to Amsterdam especially to pick it up didn't sound very attractive compared to the 2015 UK price. So I let it go and regretted later but less than when I saw one in the window readily available at Fraser Hart, Brent Cross in December 2015 and didn't buy

I am a little wiser now.

wb55 · 9 March 2017, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by FK77

. So I let it go and regretted later but less than when I saw one in the window readily available at Fraser Hart, Brent Cross in December 2015 and didn't buy

I am a little wiser now.

Weird, I picked up my BLNR from Fraser Hart in Brent Cross in Oct 2015 and had to wait for months and months to get it. In the end I paid full list up front and they found another store with one and transferred it over. Seems strange to have such a big wait and then two months later the same watch is in the window.

FK77 · 9 March 2017, 02:47 AM

It does sound strange. I even remember the exact date as it was my wife's birthday. They didn't give me any BS about it being reserved for someone etc. and I had never even bought anything from them before so obviously not a "preferred customer". I could have walked out with it that day if it wasn't for my indecisiveness. I guess those days are gone now because any gents' SS I have seen in AD windows lately are Milgauss, YM and can't remember if it was Air King or Explorer.

wb55 · 9 March 2017, 02:52 AM

I wouldn't buy another watch from FH. Very happy with the guy who sold me the BLNR but since he left they don't have anyone who likes their job or is into watches and it really shows.

I think for my next watch I will buy through an AD out of London or hope for something in duty free.

FK77 · 9 March 2017, 03:29 AM

Christian @ FH who me and the Mrs. discussed buying her watch with, towards end of last year, was very nice and knowledgeable. He did spend more time talking to me about the BLNR on my wrist and about the potential future value of D-Blue as a safe investment than he did about the Lady DateJust we were actually interested in. But he seemed to know his stuff. I actually felt guilty about wasting his time and not buying in the end ... although the feeling changed when I was able to make substantial savings buying the same watch in Amsterdam later

I can also recommend the FH guy who I should've bought the BLNR from back in Dec '15. I don't remember his name and don't know if he is still there.

SC11 · 9 March 2017, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by FK77

Christian @ FH who me and the Mrs. discussed buying her watch with, towards end of last year, was very nice and knowledgeable. He did spend more time talking to me about the BLNR on my wrist and about the potential future value of D-Blue as a safe investment than he did about the Lady DateJust we were actually interested in. But he seemed to know his stuff. I actually felt guilty about wasting his time and not buying in the end ... although the feeling changed when I was able to make substantial savings buying the same watch in Amsterdam later

I can also recommend the FH guy who I should've bought the BLNR from back in Dec '15. I don't remember his name and don't know if he is still there.

Wasn't Chris by any chance? He's a great guy and used to work there.

FK77 · 9 March 2017, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by SC11

Wasn't Chris by any chance? He's a great guy and used to work there.

Does ring a bell so possibly yes

I am not very good with names.

kelv_w · 9 March 2017, 04:25 AM

I was in Amsterdam last month and no popular SS at the window. It was looking very similar to UK ADs window display.

Gassan at Schipol Airport was slightly better with SD on display and a Milgauss and lots of DJs. Other than that SS section was pretty bare but the prices were really good at the airport.

wb55 · 9 March 2017, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by FK77

Does ring a bell so possibly yes

I am not very good with names.

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Originally Posted by SC11

Wasn't Chris by any chance? He's a great guy and used to work there.

Yes it would have been Chris. Fantastic guy, very helpful and good to deal with.

AK797 · 9 March 2017, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by wb55

Yes it would have been Chris. Fantastic guy, very helpful and good to deal with.

He and his brother were good guys who knew their stuff and loved to talk. Not sure if he went to Watchcentre with Chris.

SC11 · 9 March 2017, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by FK77

Does ring a bell so possibly yes

I am not very good with names.

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Originally Posted by wb55

Yes it would have been Chris. Fantastic guy, very helpful and good to deal with.

Most likely if he was happy to talk watches all day long, great guy and now at Watch Centre (Bond St)

SC11 · 9 March 2017, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by AK797

He and his brother were good guys who knew their stuff and loved to talk. Not sure if he went to Watchcentre with Chris.

As far as I'm aware his brother is still at FH

Purchased my first ever Rolex from his families business.

SeaDweller50 · 9 March 2017, 07:31 AM

That's strange as every UK AD I have spoken to are not allowed to ship. Collection from store only, which is obviously a pain and restricts you to only deal with local AD's, unless you're happy to put the mileage in of course.

wb55 · 9 March 2017, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Airborne

That's strange as every UK AD I have spoken to are not allowed to ship. Collection from store only, which is obviously a pain and restricts you to only deal with local AD's, unless you're happy to put the mileage in of course.

It isn't just AD's, it's an insurance issue for the retailer as the transaction will (more than likely) be by card and chip and pin isn't used. If it turns out to be fraud the retailer isn't covered. Standard rules for cardholder not present transactions. I guess the yanks have different rules.

This is only for bricks and mortar stores, any type, not just jewellery.

Baz99 · 9 March 2017, 07:51 AM

I have seen Sub ND, explorer 2 in black and white, GMT 2 LN, all colours of Milgauss and TT daytonas sitting in shop windows over the last few months all in Scotland.
I put my name on a waiting list with 2 AD's for a BLNR on the 5th of January they both phoned me within 4 weeks to say they had 1 available, I had also tried to get my name on a list with Laings and they weren't even prepared to take my name after buying 3 watches from them in the last 2 years.
I would suggest avoiding the city centre AD's in Scotland and try the smaller ones.

SC11 · 9 March 2017, 07:55 AM

Chains will ship between stores and some AD's will ship if paid by bank transfer.

Baz99 · 9 March 2017, 08:05 AM

I have seen Sub ND, GMT 2 LN, Explorer 2 in black and white, all colour of Milgauss and 3 TT daytonas all in Scotland in the last few months.

I asked to get me name on the list for a BLNR in Laings Edinburgh, they wouldn't even take my name and I have purchased 3 watches from them in the last 2 years. I then put my name down with 2 local AD's for a BLNR on the 5th January, they both contacted me within 4 weeks to say they have 1 available, unfortunately there were no discounts available.

wb55 · 9 March 2017, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Baz99

I have seen Sub ND, GMT 2 LN, Explorer 2 in black and white, all colour of Milgauss and 3 TT daytonas all in Scotland in the last few months.

I asked to get me name on the list for a BLNR in Laings Edinburgh, they wouldn't even take my name and I have purchased 3 watches from them in the last 2 years. I then put my name down with 2 local AD's for a BLNR on the 5th January, they both contacted me within 4 weeks to say they have 1 available, unfortunately there were no discounts available.

A post like that really does make you wonder if it's worth having a relationship with an AD. Three watches in two years and he refused to even put you on the list when two local ADs did and got you the watch with a month. Shocking.

AK797 · 9 March 2017, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Airborne

That's strange as every UK AD I have spoken to are not allowed to ship. Collection from store only, which is obviously a pain and restricts you to only deal with local AD's, unless you're happy to put the mileage in of course.

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Originally Posted by SC11

Chains will ship between stores and some AD's will ship if paid by bank transfer.

I paid by bank transfer.

kultschar · 9 March 2017, 10:36 AM

Ive even had a Rolex dealer post to me outside the UK - yes its naughty but I guess they do if you have a good relationship!

SeaDweller50 · 9 March 2017, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by kultschar

Ive even had a Rolex dealer post to me outside the UK - yes its naughty but I guess they do if you have a good relationship!

And what happens if the package doesn't arrive? A nightmare scenario ensues I can imagine.

nckwlch · 9 March 2017, 10:51 AM

Last year my local AD in London (Watches of Switz - royal exchange) told me all sport watches had a waiting list in UK. Last summer i joined waiting list for a Submariner ND and a bi-metal GMT II. Recently, After missing one phone call (apparently), they removed my name from list. By chance i visited the dealer last week and they had just received a Sub the day before - they let me buy it (!) at £450 increase over the price current when i put my name down for it. I paid £5450. I reckon it will be £6,000 before the year is out but it leaves a bad taste having to pay extra for waiting. No doubt brexit and the £ will be cited as the reason(s).

kultschar · 9 March 2017, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Airborne

And what happens if the package doesn't arrive? A nightmare scenario ensues I can imagine.

Dealer has their own private insurance so never a problem, I have to sign for it also

Ive had at least 15 watches posted to me from the UK with no issues, I know people here who get Pateks posted from London to the Far East which makes my purchase look like G Shocks!! :)

Onikage · 9 March 2017, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by AK797

You don't have to travel in the UK, I got a tip from this forum of a Subc in Manchester and called them up, and they posted it to me RMSD the next day, easy as pie. There's no worries with an AD and a new watch. You won't get a discount this way but that is the norm now, altho I got a free tie so I technically got £100 back.

Unless you have Euros, EU is too expensive now.

Pics! Eat your heart out Parky.

kaiserphoenix · 9 March 2017, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Airborne

That's strange as every UK AD I have spoken to are not allowed to ship. Collection from store only, which is obviously a pain and restricts you to only deal with local AD's, unless you're happy to put the mileage in of course.

Nope. Some ADs have shipped me watches using Royal Mail, and this was for a BLNR. But I had to pay by bank transfer and not credit card.

defmix · 9 March 2017, 07:51 PM

Pop to Switzerland.....

Twenty · 9 March 2017, 08:04 PM

I wanted a BLNR and was told by my London AD that I was 6th on their list and they usually received one every 1 to 2 months... Six weeks later I got the call.

When I picked up the watch and asked why so quick they said, three didn't answer, one had already obtained one, and the other didn't have the funds.

Whether this is typical or not I don't know, but the moral of the story is, if you want one and have the funds get your name down.

FK77 · 9 March 2017, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by defmix

Pop to Switzerland.....

It was a population very similar to your pic where I got my BLNR from (Bucherer Lucerne)!

kultschar · 9 March 2017, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Twenty

I wanted a BLNR and was told by my London AD that I was 6th on their list and they usually received one every 1 to 2 months... Six weeks later I got the call.

When I picked up the watch and asked why so quick they said, three didn't answer, one had already obtained one, and the other didn't have the funds.

Whether this is typical or not I don't know, but the moral of the story is, if you want one and have the funds get your name down.

Yup this is typical I would say! So many people are time wasters

wb55 · 9 March 2017, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by kultschar

Yup this is typical I would say! So many people are time wasters

Six people on a list, one already bought elsewhere, one didn't have the funds and three didn't answer the phone. I only see one time waster.

9 March 2017, 10:51 AM	#82
nckwlch "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: near oxford, UK Posts: 2	UK waiting list - sport watches Last year my local AD in London (Watches of Switz - royal exchange) told me all sport watches had a waiting list in UK. Last summer i joined waiting list for a Submariner ND and a bi-metal GMT II. Recently, After missing one phone call (apparently), they removed my name from list. By chance i visited the dealer last week and they had just received a Sub the day before - they let me buy it (!) at £450 increase over the price current when i put my name down for it. I paid £5450. I reckon it will be £6,000 before the year is out but it leaves a bad taste having to pay extra for waiting. No doubt brexit and the £ will be cited as the reason(s).

9 March 2017, 02:47 AM	#63
FK77 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: London Watch: Rolex GMT II BLNR Posts: 90	It does sound strange. I even remember the exact date as it was my wife's birthday. They didn't give me any BS about it being reserved for someone etc. and I had never even bought anything from them before so obviously not a "preferred customer". I could have walked out with it that day if it wasn't for my indecisiveness. I guess those days are gone now because any gents' SS I have seen in AD windows lately are Milgauss, YM and can't remember if it was Air King or Explorer.

9 March 2017, 02:52 AM	#64
wb55 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: - Posts: 988	I wouldn't buy another watch from FH. Very happy with the guy who sold me the BLNR but since he left they don't have anyone who likes their job or is into watches and it really shows. I think for my next watch I will buy through an AD out of London or hope for something in duty free.

9 March 2017, 03:29 AM	#65
FK77 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: London Watch: Rolex GMT II BLNR Posts: 90	Christian @ FH who me and the Mrs. discussed buying her watch with, towards end of last year, was very nice and knowledgeable. He did spend more time talking to me about the BLNR on my wrist and about the potential future value of D-Blue as a safe investment than he did about the Lady DateJust we were actually interested in. But he seemed to know his stuff. I actually felt guilty about wasting his time and not buying in the end ... although the feeling changed when I was able to make substantial savings buying the same watch in Amsterdam later I can also recommend the FH guy who I should've bought the BLNR from back in Dec '15. I don't remember his name and don't know if he is still there.

9 March 2017, 04:25 AM	#68
kelv_w "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: UK Posts: 307	I was in Amsterdam last month and no popular SS at the window. It was looking very similar to UK ADs window display. Gassan at Schipol Airport was slightly better with SD on display and a Milgauss and lots of DJs. Other than that SS section was pretty bare but the prices were really good at the airport.

9 March 2017, 07:31 AM	#73
SeaDweller50 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Real Name: Sandy Location: England. Watch: 14060M 2 liner Posts: 3,204	That's strange as every UK AD I have spoken to are not allowed to ship. Collection from store only, which is obviously a pain and restricts you to only deal with local AD's, unless you're happy to put the mileage in of course.

9 March 2017, 07:51 AM	#75
Baz99 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Scotland Posts: 6	I have seen Sub ND, explorer 2 in black and white, GMT 2 LN, all colours of Milgauss and TT daytonas sitting in shop windows over the last few months all in Scotland. I put my name on a waiting list with 2 AD's for a BLNR on the 5th of January they both phoned me within 4 weeks to say they had 1 available, I had also tried to get my name on a list with Laings and they weren't even prepared to take my name after buying 3 watches from them in the last 2 years. I would suggest avoiding the city centre AD's in Scotland and try the smaller ones.

9 March 2017, 07:55 AM	#76
SC11 Banned Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: Sam Location: UK Watch: AP ☠️ Posts: 6,151	Chains will ship between stores and some AD's will ship if paid by bank transfer.

9 March 2017, 08:05 AM	#77
Baz99 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Scotland Posts: 6	I have seen Sub ND, GMT 2 LN, Explorer 2 in black and white, all colour of Milgauss and 3 TT daytonas all in Scotland in the last few months. I asked to get me name on the list for a BLNR in Laings Edinburgh, they wouldn't even take my name and I have purchased 3 watches from them in the last 2 years. I then put my name down with 2 local AD's for a BLNR on the 5th January, they both contacted me within 4 weeks to say they have 1 available, unfortunately there were no discounts available.

9 March 2017, 10:36 AM	#80
kultschar "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: End of the World Watch: PP & Rolex Posts: 1,970	Ive even had a Rolex dealer post to me outside the UK - yes its naughty but I guess they do if you have a good relationship!

9 March 2017, 08:04 PM	#87
Twenty "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: London, UK Watch: BLNR Posts: 87	I wanted a BLNR and was told by my London AD that I was 6th on their list and they usually received one every 1 to 2 months... Six weeks later I got the call. When I picked up the watch and asked why so quick they said, three didn't answer, one had already obtained one, and the other didn't have the funds. Whether this is typical or not I don't know, but the moral of the story is, if you want one and have the funds get your name down.

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