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11 October 2018, 02:45 AM | #151 |
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this entire thread along with a few others made me hesitate even dealing with a reliable trusted seller on TRF when cashiers check and wiring money were the only payment methods.
i feel terrible for my TRF seller because when i went to the bank to begin the wire transfer process, i ended up calling the seller and withdrawal from our verbal deal (the watch obviously wasn't shipped). i was just too worried since if anything went wrong, it's a big chunk of money to lose. I sell watches and other expensive items online so I can understand a seller getting upset. note: I accept paypal and credit card for some of my buyers at their expense. So i totally understand why some buyers only want cashiers check and wiring money as payment. i know my seller is very upset with me despite me trying to make it right by mailing him a small yet sincere goodwill personal check for the trouble. at the end, people do need to realize that folks are buying the seller and any unknown risk. while my seller is known on TRF and he was nice on the telephone, i still don't know him. there are times i rather pay the extra 2%-4% for using paypal or better yet, a credit card. |
11 October 2018, 04:01 AM | #152 |
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I just read all of this and feel for all of you who got scammed. Best of luck I hope you all get your money back.
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11 October 2018, 04:41 AM | #153 |
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6 good pictures is plenty if the watch is truly like new. Different for watches that have significant wear or vintage. For reference davidsw uses 8 images and has a multimillion dollar business.
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11 October 2018, 04:44 AM | #154 |
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Sorry to hear of you guys being scammed. You really have to be careful. I want references of forum members I know or I want a copy of their drivers license and a video chat to confirm it’s them for unknown sellers.
A wire is only for a sure thing. New sellers have to be willing to go the extra mile to prove they are legit like meeting f2f, accepting pp etc Established sellers are unlikely to accept PayPal unless they have a very large business.
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11 October 2018, 05:58 AM | #155 |
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I'm a long time lurker with a tiny post count, and therefore zero references on here. However, I love looking at peoples pics, and reading their stories. I've also been watching the for sale section for years, waiting for the day I can actually afford the watch I want. Stories like this are so depressing. I feel bad for the people that got scammed, I really hope they can get recourse. People like this (the scammers) tarnish the entire for sale section with doubt to me (aside from the couple mentioned BIG sellers), but this forum is also supposed to be for the smaller guys to be able to trade or sell. I know its not fool proof, but some of the above suggestions should be looked into. A third party mediator, a hand written note (yes, can be photoshopped, but that would also give away some potential clues of fraud).
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11 October 2018, 11:26 AM | #156 | |
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I feel bad for the OP and the others, but this was completely avoidable...and easily so. DAVIDSW for example doesn't sell Daytona-C's for much more $$$ and gets them regularly....I don't understand why people are willing to spend $17k on a "luxury" item but then gamble with an unknown seller just to try and save a few bucks... |
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11 October 2018, 12:56 PM | #157 |
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All proper authorities have been notified, investigations commenced etc. bottom line is that this will likely be a total loss for both myself and 0007. Nobody here needs to understand anything about my decision making process on this - I readily admit it was poor and easily avoidable - that’s the bottom line. This thread will now serve as a cautionary tale for others. I wish it wouldn’t have been at my expense but here I am. If it saves others the heartbreak and financial loss, at least something good will have come from this otherwise terrible experience.
If anything miraculous happens, I’ll update the thread accordingly. I won’t be holding my breath. For those who reached out directly and via PM - thank you, the support is appreciated. |
11 October 2018, 01:03 PM | #158 |
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Thank you for the update. We feel your pain!
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11 October 2018, 01:03 PM | #159 | |
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Sorry OP but your in a horrible situation that probably won’t get resolved in your favor. These cyber criminals have taken theft to a new level, use all resources you have to protect your hard earned cabbage rather than just trusting some references |
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11 October 2018, 01:12 PM | #160 | |
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11 October 2018, 01:14 PM | #161 | |
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If you wired him money, wouldn't his bank have his proper id, camera footage ... other paper trail ?
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11 October 2018, 01:35 PM | #162 | |
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11 October 2018, 01:57 PM | #163 | |
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Thanks , didn’t read the whole thing.
Just puzzled that even the “legit” account can’t be held accountable, This sucks though. Gotta be an electric/paper trail Quote:
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11 October 2018, 03:15 PM | #164 |
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I feel so sick after reading through this thread. I can't believe there is scum out there doing these things. I too have been scammed in the past, and it's such a tough pill to swallow. I hope some better things are coming to all you guys that have been scammed, and a something super shitty the culprits. Really hope there's some karma to help make the world just that little bit better.
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11 October 2018, 06:41 PM | #165 |
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Sorry man, that sucks. I was scammed once or twice years ago, but not for much money. It’s a terrible feeling.
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11 October 2018, 06:54 PM | #166 |
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Just awful. But these threads make me realize I'm not savvy enough to buy or sell watches here.
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11 October 2018, 07:36 PM | #167 |
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Well you certainly can’t sell any Larry.
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11 October 2018, 09:03 PM | #168 |
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11 October 2018, 09:14 PM | #169 |
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Very sorry for the OP and others that have been scammed. No amount of after scam advise or "I would have done it different", helps. The money taken is real and the loss is real. If there is an upside, it should reinforces our diligence in transactions. The OP should also be praised for sharing a difficult situation with us. Best of luck to the OP.
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11 October 2018, 09:43 PM | #170 |
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Very sorry to hear. Well I hope Keller has been banned and the mods reach out to Keller to help the OP. Another reason to only buy from the bigger, known sellers here. This makes it harder for all the smaller and up and coming sellers.
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12 October 2018, 01:42 AM | #171 |
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What's also is crazy is this scammer continued to use the same name, Keller, multiple times and somehow it worked.
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12 October 2018, 02:32 AM | #172 |
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i got cheated as well by a certain TRF seller.
Still missing 4grand from our deal. but enough is enough, sick of his excuses. signed him up for FBI list and i hope that he regrets cheating me of 4k. |
12 October 2018, 02:42 AM | #173 |
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12 October 2018, 02:54 AM | #174 |
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It works if people that got scammed don't come forward like the OP. 2 other folks in this thread came forward after the fact. If they came forward sooner it might have prevented others from the same ordeal.
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The best thing to do is out the money mule's information. The name on the wire, account number, bank, location, etc...This way when people get this info, they can (if they're diligent/through) google that info first and see what comes up. The more information that is out there, the better it is for others. Quote:
I'll even double down and say that the advice is more useful then the condolences (as we OBVIOUSLY feel bad for the OP). On a side note, I also get suspicious of sellers who don't immediately mark their thread "SPF" once a deal has been reached. To me, if they don't mark it, it looks like they're fishing for more buyers. |
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12 October 2018, 04:35 AM | #176 |
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Yes there is a Keller Tx. I have family there. I also inquired to Keller about their for sale post. When I requested certain information they never responded.
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12 October 2018, 05:21 AM | #177 |
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You can always try to file a complaint here too. https://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx
I hope you get some kind of just out of this. That would be a very tough pill to swallow. |
12 October 2018, 07:31 AM | #178 |
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I remember your incident...sorry you didn't get it back. I hope you ruin his life with the FBI and authorities. Sorry, I have no sympathy for scammers or thieves.
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12 October 2018, 07:50 AM | #179 | |
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12 October 2018, 09:54 AM | #180 | |
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I’m going to explore other options and see if I can hire some kind of specialized investigator with expertise in digital/online forensics in an attempt to piece together all of the evidence and identify some kind of trail. It’s a long shot but the authorities have made clear that i should expect no such effort from them. Oakland PD told me there is one investigator that handles bank fraud for the entire city - they’re never going to look twice at my case. |
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