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Old 3 November 2018, 03:22 AM   #31
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Only with other models.

From what I have seen, when it comes to matte 5513's, they are universally the same value. Only condition dictates a premium in this case. Something I have never understood.
What have you never understood, that 5513 MF aren't more valuable then 5513 FF?

How are the production numbers? Wich are more scarce?
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Old 3 November 2018, 04:01 AM   #32
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Only with other models.

From what I have seen, when it comes to matte 5513's, they are universally the same value. Only condition dictates a premium in this case. Something I have never understood.


This thread needs more pics. Here is my 1977 Maxi MK1 that is currently at LAWW for a proper lug polishing to bring back the chamfers and installation of an OEM super dome crystal. I’ll post the before and after pics in a new thread once it comes home. So glad I bought this reference when I did about three years ago as I could never justify the current purchase price for 5513 Maxi MK1s
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Old 3 November 2018, 04:02 AM   #33
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What have you never understood, that 5513 MF aren't more valuable then 5513 FF?

How are the production numbers? Wich are more scarce?
The Meters First 5513 Subs with matte dial were only produced for around 3 years from ca. mid 1966 to approx. 1969/early 1970. while the Feet First 5513 Subs were produced for around 20 years from 1970 to ca. 1989; thus making the Meters First (MF) matte dial 5513 Subs much rarer than the Feet First (FF) ones.
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Old 3 November 2018, 04:45 AM   #34
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The Meters First 5513 Subs with matte dial were only produced for around 3 years from ca. mid 1966 to approx. 1969/early 1970. while the Feet First 5513 Subs were produced for around 20 years from 1970 to ca. 1989; thus making the Meters First (MF) matte dial 5513 Subs much rarer than the Feet First (FF) ones.
correct, shorter production run makes MF more scarce. However, in this instance, rarity does not add more value over a FF matte 5513. It does indeed for other models.

I have actually seen later maxi dialed pieces sell faster than a MF variant in equal condition.

It is the big "why?" when it comes to 5513's.
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Old 3 November 2018, 05:50 AM   #35
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This thread needs more pics. Here is my 1977 Maxi MK1 that is currently at LAWW for a proper lug polishing to bring back the chamfers and installation of an OEM super dome crystal. I’ll post the before and after pics in a new thread once it comes home. So glad I bought this reference when I did about three years ago as I could never justify the current purchase price for 5513 Maxi MK1s
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Old 3 November 2018, 07:33 AM   #36
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The Meters First 5513 Subs with matte dial were only produced for around 3 years from ca. mid 1966 to approx. 1969/early 1970. while the Feet First 5513 Subs were produced for around 20 years from 1970 to ca. 1989; thus making the Meters First (MF) matte dial 5513 Subs much rarer than the Feet First (FF) ones.
Thought matte dials ended around 1984 although glossy gilt carried on to 89. Meters first started circa 1.6 mil according to Beaumont Miller 11 and ended circa 2.2 mil. So ff started at around 2.2 and ended in 1984 at 5.0 mil plus?. Mf are rarer and older but so far there appears to be no premium. The same cannot be said for mf single reds as opposed to ff in 1680. Why, I don't know, but it is what it is.
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Old 3 November 2018, 08:31 AM   #37
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I have both a MF and a maxi and I would pick the maxi any day.Those huge plots under the T19 are a thing of beauty.
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Old 3 November 2018, 05:28 PM   #38
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I have both a MF and a maxi and I would pick the maxi any day.Those huge plots under the T19 are a thing of beauty.
Totally agree. You can’t beat the beautiful aesthetic of maxi mk1






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Old 3 November 2018, 09:40 PM   #39
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I love the Maxi I but imo the MF is the most valuable !
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Old 3 November 2018, 10:27 PM   #40
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Subs shouldn’t have a date. I still think 5513’s are way too cheap compared to 1680’s. No matter if white or red.
Some comments will just live on as classics. Why shouldn’t Subs gave a date? Is there a moral or religious objection?
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Old 3 November 2018, 10:28 PM   #41
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The 5513 is real beauty and you won’t get tired of it





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Old 3 November 2018, 11:13 PM   #42
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correct, shorter production run makes MF more scarce. However, in this instance, rarity does not add more value over a FF matte 5513. It does indeed for other models.

I have actually seen later maxi dialed pieces sell faster than a MF variant in equal condition.

It is the big "why?" when it comes to 5513's.
I think it is just a hype thing. Nothing against Feet First/Maxi Subs, they are nice but on Instagram for example you see so many of them... Thus creating that mentioned hype. I think that in the long run, the matte Meters First 5513s will surpass the Feet First models in price and demand as rarity combined with beauty is hard to beat.
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Old 4 November 2018, 01:23 AM   #43
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Some comments will just live on as classics. Why shouldn’t Subs gave a date? Is there a moral or religious objection?
As explained personal preference. Initially subs didn’t have it either. It took closer to 20 years for Rolex to add a date on a Submariner. Sorry if this was a touchy thing to say.
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Old 4 November 2018, 01:34 AM   #44
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Some comments will just live on as classics. Why shouldn’t Subs gave a date? Is there a moral or religious objection?
Clearly Roh’s statement was hyperbole.
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Old 4 November 2018, 01:38 AM   #45
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Meters First for me. Granted ‘67 is a birthyear, but just something about ‘em !!


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Old 5 November 2018, 04:44 AM   #46
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Some comments will just live on as classics. Why shouldn’t Subs gave a date? Is there a moral or religious objection?
+1 stupid statement ! A Submariner is obviously no date !
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Old 5 November 2018, 12:44 PM   #47
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This thread needs more pics. Here is my 1977 Maxi MK1 that is currently at LAWW for a proper lug polishing to bring back the chamfers and installation of an OEM super dome crystal. I’ll post the before and after pics in a new thread once it comes home. So glad I bought this reference when I did about three years ago as I could never justify the current purchase price for 5513 Maxi MK1s
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Old 5 November 2018, 06:15 PM   #48
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Some comments will just live on as classics. Why shouldn’t Subs gave a date? Is there a moral or religious objection?
Good point. Back in the 1970s and 80s, when a lot of these Subs and Sea Dwellers were made, it was easily possible to be on a trip where there was no place to access the date other your watch.
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Old 6 November 2018, 05:33 AM   #49
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I love the Maxi I but imo the MF is the most valuable !
I think the Market disagrees with You,A Maxi MK1 or MK3 brings more than a MF on the open market in similar condition.
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Old 6 November 2018, 08:25 AM   #50
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I think the Market disagrees with You,A Maxi MK1 or MK3 brings more than a MF on the open market in similar condition.
Some collectors are drawn to the larger plots of a maxi dial, while other collectors like myself are drawn to earlier examples. which makes the market broad for this reference. Seems equal interest and prices from what I have seen.

I think once you start getting into MF VS FF, Serif VS none Serif, Maxi VS no Maxi, is just all personal preference for matte 5513's at that point.
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Old 8 December 2018, 03:15 AM   #51
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I have a sub 5513 MF, glossy I think, not a geek on these things. It is in excellent condition and recently serviced. Bought it new in Singapore Dec 69 and don’t have a clue of its value. I live in the UK. It appears to me that if I sold it I would get a lot more for it in the US than in the U.K, is that correct?
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Old 8 December 2018, 08:00 AM   #52
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I have a sub 5513 MF, glossy I think, not a geek on these things. It is in excellent condition and recently serviced. Bought it new in Singapore Dec 69 and don’t have a clue of its value. I live in the UK. It appears to me that if I sold it I would get a lot more for it in the US than in the U.K, is that correct?
Not necessarily. UK prices are notoriously high, especially in London. Take a look at Chrono 24 for an idea of pricing, and wear that thing carefully! Probably easily five figures in pounds for a glossy gilt Sub, but prices depend on condition/originality. Did they change the dial/hands/insert (the black ring around the dial) during the service?

Here's mine from 1964 - all original, glossy gilt dial and gilt hands. Post a pic of yours!
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When I traded my 1680, MMF 5513, and Matte small arrow 1675 off I thought they wouldn't go any higher! I had tripled my $, but probably could double that again today. . .

Miss the 5513 most. Well I guess I miss them all.
Hard to know when to jump before the bubble bursts. I think it has to happen on some of the ridiculous 5513s but I'm not surprised if the gilt subs go the way of red Daytonas! I keep trying to jump back in on theses subs but a 16800 for 10K? Wow, I remember the good ole days ....
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Old 8 December 2018, 09:17 AM   #54
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I paid more for my new 5513 than I paid for my brown GMT. Not really long after that purchase. Still; when quality is right the price is just a number. (I try to trick myself)

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Old 8 December 2018, 09:59 AM   #55
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I paid more for my new 5513 than I paid for my brown GMT. Not really long after that purchase. Still; when quality is right the price is just a number. (I try to trick myself)

What a pair.....
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I paid more for my new 5513 than I paid for my brown GMT. Not really long after that purchase. Still; when quality is right the price is just a number. (I try to trick myself)



The brown gmt and gilt 5513 are perfect pair and I will do that anytime without hesitation


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Old 8 December 2018, 10:27 PM   #58
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I paid more for my new 5513 than I paid for my brown GMT. Not really long after that purchase. Still; when quality is right the price is just a number. (I try to trick myself)



Oh my god. That’s an unbelievable pair!


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Old 9 December 2018, 02:15 AM   #59
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I have a 7.58 mill complete set 5513. Is that the 3rd gen maxi? It has the lollipop hour markers thanks
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